But holy shit. I appreciate this guys enthusiasm, but he’s woefully outgunned:
CLIFFS @ post 4
1:26 MidShipCivic: I have the GTR transmission already I want a 4wd car so thats why I’m gonna do. Just like you want Rwd 
11:26 sprocketbash411: what’s that engine out f?
11:26 sprocketbash411: of
11:27 MidShipCivic: 90-93 Infiniti Q45
11:27 sprocketbash411: so it’s got a front drive dif on the oilpan?
11:28 MidShipCivic: A certain version of this engine does but I’m not using that to drive the front wheels.
11:28 sprocketbash411: …
11:28 MidShipCivic: let me finish
11:28 sprocketbash411: haha
11:28 sprocketbash411: i am.
11:28 sprocketbash411: 
11:28 MidShipCivic: I’m gonna move the engine 9.5’’ behind front center and use an R200
11:29 MidShipCivic: because that front differential mess is a pain for the oil pan
11:29 MidShipCivic: I know people who have that special ‘’ cima 4wd engine ‘’
11:29 MidShipCivic: it’s really rare
11:29 MidShipCivic: and not worth the trouble
11:29 MidShipCivic: they took picture for me
11:30 MidShipCivic: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/C-Zero/Vh45DE/DSCF1481.jpg
11:30 sprocketbash411: are you going to make your own oilpan?
11:30 sprocketbash411: i can’t imagine that the engine is short enough to move it that far behind the xmember.
11:31 MidShipCivic: According to me ( w/o any technical drawings yet) moving the engine 9.5’’ ( roughly half the length)
11:31 MidShipCivic: I’ll be able to run two CV axles in front of it
11:31 MidShipCivic: w/ an intermediate shaft
11:32 sprocketbash411: are you going to use fwd suspension?
11:32 sprocketbash411: from a sentra or max/alt or something?
11:33 MidShipCivic: I haven’t examined the S13’s front wheel assemblies but I think it can be machined
11:33 MidShipCivic: for me to do something about that
11:33 sprocketbash411: eh, not really
11:33 sprocketbash411: you’re better off using fwd nissan stuff
11:33 sprocketbash411: all the cars i mentioned are mcpherson
11:33 sprocketbash411: so that’s your best bet
11:34 MidShipCivic: yeah of course
11:34 sprocketbash411: the gtr is double wish
11:34 MidShipCivic: that wasnt the only thing I thought about
11:34 MidShipCivic: completely removing the front end of the car and starting with a short/long arm suspension
11:34 MidShipCivic: the GTR read’s VSS off it’s front wheel knuckles
11:35 MidShipCivic: I dont wanna go through the trouble of finding that
11:35 MidShipCivic: but the rear diff has VSS so thats my other reason for using it up front
11:35 sprocketbash411: that is incorrect
11:35 sprocketbash411: there is a speed sensor on the side of the GTR trans
11:36 sprocketbash411: but r32 is cable
11:36 sprocketbash411: but you should be able to swap a sender form a KA in
11:36 sprocketbash411: but your thinking too far in to it
11:36 sprocketbash411: you’re
11:36 MidShipCivic: that is true I looked at the ETS diagram
11:36 sprocketbash411: yeah, that’s for the atessa and shit
11:36 sprocketbash411: and abs
11:36 MidShipCivic: so I need it
11:37 sprocketbash411: nah
11:37 sprocketbash411: don’t complicate it
11:37 MidShipCivic: it will operate with out it you’re saying?
11:37 sprocketbash411: by trying to use the atessa
11:37 sprocketbash411: you will kill yourself
11:37 sprocketbash411: you will need an entire skyline, essentially
11:37 sprocketbash411: the atessa computer is in the trunk
11:38 MidShipCivic: how do you understand it so much?
11:38 sprocketbash411: what do you mean
11:38 sprocketbash411: i read the whole service manual, essentially
11:38 sprocketbash411: i was thinking about making it AWD when i built my 240
11:38 MidShipCivic: so did I
11:38 sprocketbash411: also
11:39 sprocketbash411: the hydraulic pump for the center dif is mounted on the rear pumpkin of the GTR
11:39 MidShipCivic: I know about all that
11:39 MidShipCivic: but the whole skyline needing thing ?
11:39 MidShipCivic: ehh ?
11:39 sprocketbash411: don’t bother with the atessa, at least not yet
11:39 MidShipCivic: I have to understand it now
11:39 sprocketbash411: if you don’t hook anything up to it
11:39 MidShipCivic: I’ve been comtemplating about this for a year now
11:39 sprocketbash411: it will lock the center diff at 50-50
11:40 MidShipCivic: that defeats the purpose of what it is though
11:40 MidShipCivic: I want it operational
11:40 sprocketbash411: well, good luck man.
11:40 sprocketbash411: seriously
11:40 sprocketbash411: that’s a HUGE endeavour
11:41 MidShipCivic: what because of the electronics?
11:41 sprocketbash411: you can buy a whole gtr subframe
11:42 sprocketbash411: and use that pumpkin
11:42 sprocketbash411: then you will need to source the atessa computer
11:42 sprocketbash411: and buy a harness, or make your own
11:42 sprocketbash411: you can get abs knuckles from a later 240 for the rear
11:42 sprocketbash411: hi
11:43 sprocketbash411: -hi
11:43 sprocketbash411: srry
11:43 MidShipCivic: lol
11:43 sprocketbash411: for the front if you use maxima knuckles
11:43 sprocketbash411: you can get the VSS there
11:43 sprocketbash411: but seriously
11:43 sprocketbash411: why bother?
11:43 sprocketbash411: lock it at 50/50
11:44 sprocketbash411: if you’re really ambitious you can rig an incar adjuster that modulates pressure from the PS pump
11:44 sprocketbash411: because that’s how the atessa does it
11:45 MidShipCivic: why bother ?
11:45 MidShipCivic: It’s what I want it’s not what the car is soley based on
11:45 MidShipCivic: driving 4 wheels
11:45 MidShipCivic: it has to be just as smart
11:45 MidShipCivic: or I have nother better than my eagle talon tsi
11:46 MidShipCivic: I know the gtr has aftermarket ets controllers
11:46 sprocketbash411: yeah, but you still need all of the hardware
11:46 MidShipCivic: yeah www.skylineowners.com
11:46 MidShipCivic: lots of parts outs
11:46 MidShipCivic: from those forums
11:46 MidShipCivic: I’ve looked that over
11:46 sprocketbash411: i’m not saying it’s not possible
11:47 sprocketbash411: but i don’t think you fully grasp the logistics of what you’re trying to do.
11:48 MidShipCivic: I haven’t completed planning
11:48 MidShipCivic: but I want the system to work in the car and I know it can be retrofitted I can get the parts
11:49 MidShipCivic: well I just have questions on your practices that’s all
11:51 sprocketbash411: ok, i won’t try and talk you out of it, but it’s NOT an easy task…
11:51 sprocketbash411: i don’t know if i would attempt it. and this is the ind of shit i excell at.
11:52 sprocketbash411: the payoff is not worth the hassle.
11:52 sprocketbash411: you will def need an atessa controller
11:52 MidShipCivic: but It’s the reason I got this car
11:52 sprocketbash411: because the balance of the car is goig to be nothing like the gtr
11:52 sprocketbash411: you are going to have to spend HOURS on the skidpad just tuning your atessa
11:53 MidShipCivic: I know that
11:53 sprocketbash411: and that’s assuming you can even get a user programable atessa computer
11:53 sprocketbash411: chances are they are just chipped
11:53 sprocketbash411: also
11:53 MidShipCivic: whoa
11:53 sprocketbash411: you need to get the G sensors as well
11:53 MidShipCivic: there are ETS controlles like piggy backs
11:54 MidShipCivic: BEER replaces it entirely
11:54 MidShipCivic: I know about the G sensors by the hand brake
11:54 MidShipCivic: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v169/C-Zero/FMS13/?action=view¤t=ETSATTESSAsytem.gif
11:54 sprocketbash411: yeah
11:54 MidShipCivic: I’ve gone over that
11:54 sprocketbash411: how old are you?
11:54 MidShipCivic: I’m not as old as you
11:54 sprocketbash411: and how much money do you have for this?
11:54 MidShipCivic: I’m a 22 years old
11:55 MidShipCivic: Are you doubting me ?
11:55 sprocketbash411: not entirely
11:55 sprocketbash411: but i have seen a lot of failed projects
11:56 sprocketbash411: that people don’t realize what they are getting in to.
11:56 MidShipCivic: uh huh
11:57 MidShipCivic: Like you’ve bought that 3 series
11:57 sprocketbash411: what do you mean?
11:57 MidShipCivic: I bought a 240
11:57 MidShipCivic: I never owned one before
11:58 MidShipCivic: but I bought it just for that engine drive line combo
11:58 sprocketbash411: sure, the chassis of the car makes no difference
11:58 MidShipCivic: I’ve considered almost everything thought it may sound impractical
11:59 MidShipCivic: it’s going to happen
11:59 sprocketbash411: if i were in your shoes, here is the plan of attack i would take
11:59 MidShipCivic: though
11:59 sprocketbash411: get the engine in the car with the gtr xmission
11:59 MidShipCivic: right
11:59 sprocketbash411: and get it running in a rear drive configuration
11:59 sprocketbash411: then add your front dif
12:00 MidShipCivic: wait
12:00 MidShipCivic: sto
12:00 MidShipCivic: p
12:00 MidShipCivic: whats the reasoning for that
12:00 sprocketbash411: haha
12:00 sprocketbash411: because this is the kind of thing you’re going to need to do in steps.
12:00 sprocketbash411: or not
12:00 MidShipCivic: okay
12:00 sprocketbash411: try getting it running AWD
12:00 sprocketbash411: no atessa
12:00 MidShipCivic: oh I see
12:00 sprocketbash411: how well can you weld?
12:01 sprocketbash411: because you are going to need to build a front xmember
12:01 MidShipCivic: I have a Miller dynasty 200dx
12:01 sprocketbash411: you are going to have to build new front frame rails
12:02 MidShipCivic: but I’m still practing and I’m going to invest in a JD2 bender soon
12:02 sprocketbash411: you are going to need to build a dif mount
12:02 sprocketbash411: does the RB bellhousing bolt to the block?
12:03 MidShipCivic: Negative several people have used aluminum metal stock and adapted it
12:03 MidShipCivic: the 300zx flywheel bolts on
12:03 MidShipCivic: to the back of that crank
12:04 MidShipCivic: and since it shares the same spline it’s good to go for that part
12:04 MidShipCivic: for 300zx clutches vs GTR tranny
12:05 sprocketbash411: but that makes the bellhousing longer
12:05 sprocketbash411: you’re going to need to machine the bellhousing down
12:05 MidShipCivic: yeah they milled it as well
12:06 sprocketbash411: a bellhousing adaprter is not all that hard.
12:06 MidShipCivic: mmmhmm
12:06 sprocketbash411: but do you have access to a mill?
12:06 sprocketbash411: it doesn’t need to be CNC’d you can do it on a bridgeport
12:06 MidShipCivic: I might have some questions about drafting since I’m taking that class
12:06 MidShipCivic: I have several shops in my area
12:06 sprocketbash411: are you going to pay someone to do it?
12:07 MidShipCivic: so I won’t be doing anymachining
12:07 sprocketbash411: i see.
12:07 sprocketbash411: i hope you legitimately have 15k to dump on this
12:07 MidShipCivic: lmao
12:08 MidShipCivic: Have you weighed that RB engine ?
12:08 MidShipCivic: heres what I got when I weighed the VH45DE
