HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH, those are carANDdriver accelerations in top gear. Meaning the automatic equipped car downshifts dun dun dun… automatically. The M4 is in 6th gear. lol.
I’m pretty sure people downshift when they roll race, LOL These numbers are ALWAYS skewed when carANDdriver tests autos.
It wouldn’t downshift in 5-60 now would it? They’d both be in first. So explain how the UBER BWM got smoked by 6 tenths of a second??? That’s about 3-4 car lengths. Yikes!
When have you driven 5 mph on a race track? I can’t think of one corner out of all the tracks that I’ve been to that has a corner so tight that you would have to slow down to 5 mph. You can have those .6 secs, because I never drive that slow.
BTW, 5-60, assuming linear acceleration for both cars, after 4.0 seconds the SS is going 60 and the M4 is going ~53. The SS would have had an average speed of 32.5mph, the M4 ~29mph. The SS would have traveled ~191 feet, the M4 would have traveled ~170 feet. That is about 1.3 car lengths.
And still doesn’t make this a true statement:
Because the acceleration that matters in track conditions the M4 has it, with the slower, less geared tranny.
I hope you’d be going 60 to 150 in these cars, especially on straights that I can get up to 120 with a 80hp car.
That would be where the M4 pulls out acceleration advantage, but really ~4 car lengths ZOINKIES!!!
See how I tried to avoid bullshit exaggerations.
But really, wouldn’t you want to put the super duper fast automatic SS against the DCT, only seems fair.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2015-bmw-m3-dct-automatic-test-review-car-and-driver2015-bmw-m3-dct-automatic-instrumented-test.pdf
60-100:
M3 w/auto - 4.7 sec
SS w/auto - 5.0 sec
60-130:
M3 w/auto - 10.7 sec
SS w/auto - 12.0 sec
60-150:
M3 w/auto- 17.0 sec
SS w/auto - 21.2 sec
Good data here, now back to 
lol
This is about the Camaro SS against an M4 not an M3?? I could have sworn the test was Camaro vs M4? M3 is 425/406 and weighs 3613, the M4 is 425/406 and weighs 4041. Can I pull Corvette/auto data out to beat the M3? I mean it’s only fair right?
I’m real sorry that Motor trend declared the Camaro the winner in their shootout. They do instrumented testing in their criteria. You race 80hp race cars, so their data doesn’t fit your agenda. But don’t try to convince the world that 0-60, and 1/4 mile times are mute, because those are benchmarks that have been around for decades.
Again with the incorrect information. The M3 is at a weight disadvantage, so I thought it would be fair.
The M4 coupe weighs 3556 http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2015-bmw-m4-manual-tested-review-car-and-driver2015-bmw-m4-coupe.pdf
The M3 sedan weighs 3613 http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2015-bmw-m3-dct-automatic-test-review-car-and-driver2015-bmw-m3-dct-automatic-instrumented-test.pdf
Even the picture you posted says the M4 weighs 3512, LOL.
My only agenda is to have CORRECT information. I’ve said it before, given the choice out of the two the cars I would pick is a base Camaro w/ V6, (no numb electric steering), and I’d spend the cash saved on actually going to track and not talking about it.
New ZL1 announced today.
This is what we’ve all been waiting for: the return of a legendary nameplate in the sixth generation of Camaro with new equipment, a new look, and new talents. The levels of performance and comfort this new car is capable of will raise the bar for the segment to the stratosphere.
Chevrolet had a surprise treat for us media people at the 2.0L turbo and convertible drive event in Pahrump, Nevada. They revealed the new King of Camaros, the 2017 ZL1, and let us get up close and personal with it, as well as experience a hot lap around the Spring Mountain Motorsport’s Ranch. Nobody was quite expecting this, and I regret that we were unable to share this with you earlier. But Chevrolet was so tight-lipped about it, we didn’t even get company photography materials until this morning!
EQUIPMENT
Let’s start with the facts. The engineers and designers working on the new ZL1 have revisited the successful formula from Gen 5 that we have come to know and love; just on an entirely different level.
Power is provided by the new supercharged 6.2L V8, the LT4. We’re used to seeing this robust power plant serve in the C7 Z06, and the good news is that the Camaro team has said the power output in the ZL1 is “estimated at 640hp/640tq”…history would suggest that we can expect more when the final numbers are released.
This nuclear amount of power is sent to the gorgeous new lightweight, 20” forged aluminum wheels by either a standard 6-speed manual transmission, or an available all-new 10-speed automatic. The 10-speed auto features TAPshift, and represents General Motors’ first use of the new transmission. Shifts are described as “lightning” fast, and there will be more information about this transmission coming soon. The six speed manual transmission benefits from active rev match and revised, track-oriented gear ratios that means there’s only one overdrive gear.
Magnetic Ride Control makes a return appearance in the suspension system, and we’re told the calibration is further revised in this application. Also new is a custom launch control feature within the Performance Traction Management system. An electronic differential, Goodyear Eagle F1: Supercar tires (285 f, 305 r), and gargantuan 15.35” 6-piston Brembo front brakes round out the performance hardware featured on this car.
And all of that equipment is bolted to the most recent version of the world-beating Alpha chassis, which translates into a ZL1 that is more than 200 lbs lighter, with at least 60 more horsepower and 80 more lbs. ft. of torque than its predecessor.
No pricing or ordering details have been released. But we’re expecting that past ZL1 customers should be able to afford this new car. There’s a lot of expensive equipment on this car, but they have no intentions of price gouging just because they can.
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The design is all function over form. Everything that is changed about the exterior design of the ZL1 either provides more downforce, reduced lift, reduced drag, or increased cooling airflow. In many cases, they’ve managed to achieve “all of the above”. This model alone spent over 100 hours in the Wind Tunnel to perfect the design, by dedicated engineers and designers willing to take the “night shift” and maximize the amount of time spent in the tunnel. And the result is an appearance that looks utterly furious; ready to rip the face off of anything that dares to get in the way.
The mammoth front grille uses a huge grate pattern that allows for air to flow both under and over the federally mandated bumper bar. The upper grille features the familiar “Flowtie” design first debuted on the 2014 Z/28; a hollowed out version of the Chevrolet bowtie to increase cooling airflow. The auxiliary radiators are now fed by the redesigned lower outboard intakes. Camaro team has done away with the “air curtain” openings for the ZL1, instead choosing to utilize all available airflow to cool the car’s systems. The openings are so big, that you can fit your entire forearm in there and move it about freely behind the fascia. All of these openings work together to feed 11 heat exchangers; all standard equipment that helps makes the ZL1 fully track ready without the need to purchase additional cooling packages like some competitors.
Also worth noting is that the front fenders are wider than the standard car, accommodating the big front wheels and tires, and providing an aerodynamic benefit to the car when coupled to the new front fascia. Speaking of wheels, they’re stunning in person; finished in a deep, dark, rich grey color. To me, they appear like chiseled, sharper versions of the Z06’s wheels.
The lower front splitter is very aggressive. It is integrated into the front fascia’s design, and slots somewhere in between the Gen5 ZL1’s splitter, and the Gen5 Z/28’s piece. The lower side skirts that are so sharp and aggressive looking; you might worry about lacerating your own ankles getting in and out of it. And the rear diffuser - which wraps around standard (and trumpet-sized) dual-mode exhaust tips - has been redesigned like the rest of the cars’ underside to maximize high speed airflow. All of the aerodynamic pieces, including the front grille have been finished in a metallic black paint, similar to Mosaic Black, adding an upscale touch.
The new hood has been almost entirely resurfaced, and looks like the engine is trying to go supernova beneath. It utilizes a giant heat extractor similar to what you might see on a LeMans style car (just not nearly as deep), and the hood insert/heat extractor panel is made of carbon fiber, finished in the same metallic black paint as the rest of the exterior accents. It reminds me of the old design, just much more aggressive, three-dimensional, and utilizing much more real estate on the hood.
Finally, the spoiler is unlike anything I’ve seen on a General Motors car before; it overhangs the sides of the vehicle by about an inch or so on both sides. It is painted in body color, and while some may not like the look…it, too, was developed in the wind tunnel for aerodynamic benefits. It appears to be mounted in the same areas as the SS spoiler.
[B]INTERIOR
The interior of the car is gorgeous, and makes you feel like you’re sitting inside a 100,000-dollar car. Every panel that was leather-wrapped in the 2LT/2SS models is now covered in rich microfiber suede, with red accent stitching. The door insert, arm rests, knee bolsters, steering wheel, shifter, and seating surfaces. Color combination options are limited to black with red accents…just like last generation. The car is loaded with all the standard equipment you’ve come to be familiar with on 2LT and 2SS models, including HUD, memory seats, LED spectrum lighting, electro-chromatic mirrors, side blind zone alert, Bose stereo, etc. The new performance data recorder is optional equipment, and utilizes an SD card slot down by the left knee under the steering wheel.
Also standard in the interior are ZL1-specific Recaro racing seats, utilizing the same revised design recently shown on the 1LE. In between each “pocket” of these new seats is a bold red accent stitched into the cloth.
Past ZL1 owners will note their clutch pedals being a little on the heavy side compared to the rest of the car lineups. I was able to get some seat time (on stage, only), and I’m pleased to report that the new ZL1’s clutch is easy to modulate, and only requires about 25 lbs of pressure, roughly the same as the 2016 SS’s clutch.
But wait! There’s one more thing…the seatbelts are RED! Yes! Like Porsche, Aston Martin, and [insert your favorite European Sport Luxury brand], the ZL1 comes with bright red seatbelts. Make no mistake that this car means to go fast. Those belts must add at least 10hp, and .1 Gs!
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I can’t wait to see what this does on slicks with the 10 speed auto.
They rip the M4 pretty bad.
One thing they fail to mention is how beautifully sculpted that BMW is, both inside and out. By comparison, the Chevy looks like something a 12 year old built in his basement using spare Lego parts and hobby knives. Seriously, that rear spoiler and SS badge slapped onto the lower left rear bumper looks so bad!
I’m a GM guy though, so I’d still rather have the SS…
ZL1 is 650/650 in something weighing in less than 4,000 lbs (current V8 is 3,700)
Pretty nice numbers
Should be just as fast or faster then a Hellcat in a straight line too being so much lighter.
ZL1 can get to 60 mph in just 3.5 seconds and complete the quarter mile in 11.4 seconds at 127 mph.
Hellcat sprints to 60 mph in 3.5 seconds and can complete the quarter mile in 11.2 seconds at 125 mph
But this should also take corners well
While the ZL1 takes on the Hellcat version of the Dodge Charger and Challenger for straight-line supremacy, the high-power Camaro will also be able to dominate the track. Fitted with Magnetic Ride suspension, grippy Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires, and an electronic rear differential, the ZL1 can pull 1.02 g in the corners and come to a standstill from 60 mph in only 107 feet. The new ZL1 is also 220 pounds lighter than the previous model.
That’s on stock tires, toss some 305 mickeys on and lets see them run heads up.
Numbers look good and it has some nice lines to it too