Well shit I’m an idiot lol.
:lol It’s cool. lol
I think we have to realize that Humans, as a species are no longer part of Evolution or Survival of the Fittest. With the Advent of medicines, it isn’t just the “Strong” that survive anymore.
I’m not saying that’s a bad thing! I’m just saying that we have to account for the fact that with each generation, the human species as a whole gets just a little bit weaker. And that certainly includes those with mental issues. Even more of a reason to have stricter controls over firearms.
On that note Wild West movies should be really boring.
the concept of utilizing mental health to put a stop, fuck it, even apply the brakes to atrocities, mass violence and serial killing is like pissing into the wind.
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First and foremost you need people OUTSIDE the profession to be aware, to watch for signs. Then, you need them to actually give a shit, and speak up. THEN, you need to convince the “patient” to come in for evaluation. I mean you can’t arrest someone on a whim that they are loony. (* very easily) THEN if they come in, hope that the Dr. can get somewhere with that person. Blah, Blah, Blah…… finally the person is “treated” and all is well! WHAOOOOO. Wait, dude goes off their meds, because they live alone, or with someone who doesn’t help keep them on track. Or, even on the meds, loses it and flips shit in public.
And that’s for someone “showing the signs”, which this kid apparently DID NOT. Neither did Charles Manson, prior to being caught. (IRC, it’s been a while since I read up on that whole thing). Even if they show signs, one loose link in the chain above, and the patient goes to shit, AKA ya didn’t stop shit.
Health care, doesn’t pay SHIT for mental checks, shrink visits, etc. That might be a starting point ya know. I mean it’s cool when your neighbor thinks a few screws are loose in their kid, but can they cough up the few thousand dollars to put the kid in front of a Dr???
Allllllllll the while, even if that all works. It’s still not a guarantee or IMO even come close to guaranteeing that shit wont still happen. BUT, what I can guarantee, me sitting at home watching TV with my wife and kids, when some bat shit crazy son of a bitch comes flying through the window with a tire iron screaming “AHHHH FUCK I AM OFF MY MEDS I AM GOING TO KILL YOU ALL AND RAPE YOUR DOG”… If I can’t shoot that bastard in the leg, legally, I stand ALMOST NO CHANCE as protecting my family and myself from harm.
Stop beating around the bush United States of Merica… I don’t want to keep living with my fingers crossed, hoping I will be safe by the grace of everyone else’s sanity around me. FUCK THAT SHIT, GIMME SOME MEANS OF PERSONAL PROTECTION!
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glad to see you can carry an intellectual conversation.
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Saw this in an article on WTEN, where our governor was saying there needs to be more federal restrictions…
“Federal statistics show that most guns recovered from New York crimes in 2011 originated in states with fewer legal restrictions.”
And that is the reason we will keep getting fucked in the ass with more laws.
Obviously I am pro-gun but no matter what we do we aren’t going to win the battle, the government only looks at the statistics that back there wants for laws.
Conspiracy theorists started already.
This was in a spam email I got today:
The primary-school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, approximately 45 miles from the Colt Arms Factory, is just another one in the long line of government psyops designed to persuade the public to allow the government to take away their guns, and their means to defend themselves against the government and the banksters that the politicians really serve.
The small children murders are designed to create hysterical emotions in women to get them to demand that guns are banned. If that doesn‚t work they will continue with their evil agenda with worse and worse atrocities on younger children, until they get their way and disarm the people, so that they cannot fight back against government tyranny.
Newtown is the U.S.A.‚s Dunblane, which was orchestrated in Scotland in 1996 by the British establishment, to whip up hysteria in order to ban all handguns from the U.K. It was a follow-up to the Hungerford Massacre in England in 1987, which was carried out by mind-controlled Michael Ryan, who then shot himself so he could not be questioned, and it was used to ban semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.
It‚s always the same people behind it ˆ the gun-grabbers who want the people to be defenceless against the gun-grabbers‚ employers ˆ the banksters who own all of the politicians. They get their politicians to pass legislation for them, in order to remove the people‚s freedoms and means of defending themselves, and enslave them in a draconian police-state, under a mountain of debt, and then exterminate the useless-eaters.
The Dunblane massacre was supposedly carried out by Thomas Hamilton, who was a paedophile and procurer of children, for a high level paedophile ring involving senior members of the Tony Blair Labour-Party shadow-cabinet and others. The massacre served two purposes, it achieved their desired handgun-ban and killed the abused children, so they could not be witnesses against the elite-paedophiles. They then had the findings of the inquiry sealed for 100 years, which is proof of the above.
Like Newtown there were two shooters, Hamilton and a hit-man who shot Hamilton and made it look like Hamilton committed suicide after shooting 16 children, so that he couldn‚t be questioned. Hamilton was found in the school gymnasium slumped against a wall and still gurgling, when an off-duty policeman PC Grant McCutcheon entered the gym and saw two semi-automatic pistols, one on either side of Hamilton‚s body.
The autopsy revealed that Hamilton was killed with a .38 revolver. These people always slip-up with their crimes. There was no .38 revolver for him to have shot himself with. Thus, there was a second shooter who killed Hamilton.
Similarly, the first reports from Newtown were of two shooters, just like mind-controlled James Holmes in the Denver Batman Cinema massacre, the story then quickly changes to just one.
Columbine was similar, in that a team of shooters in black outfits were seen there and the two accused were on mind-altering prescription-drugs.
Wake up and see the pattern and their modus operandi and don‚t fall for it. Never let them take your guns, except from your cold dead hands.
All of these are staged events to whip-up hysterical public support for banning the people from having guns. It works the same in every country ˆ Hungerford in England, Dunblane in Scotland, Port Arthur in Australia and the list in America is endless, because of the Second Amendment and the people having a pro-gun culture. That makes it much more difficult to break the Americans‚ love of guns and the Second Amendment, which was put in place to protect the people from the government.
Gun bans work well for tyrants. They worked well for Hitler, Stalin and Chairman Mao, to name just three.
If you want to stop these massacres, wake-up and get rid of the banksters, their puppet-politicians and all gun-grabbers; arm teachers and ban gun-free zones.
From one who can see the pattern and hopes to enable you to see it too.
I hate bloomberg.
I’m glad you were able to come up with an equally as genius plan or even an idea. Oh… Wait…
I dont agree about her allowing her known child with a mental issue near firearms and using them. I don’t classify that as a responsible gun owner. For all we know those guns could’ve been locked up in a gun safe. After mom is dead a lock has no purpose.
Some will argue a gun locked and unloaded is a useless gun. If someone chooses to keep a loaded firearm out for home defense purposes, they may do so. Nothing wrong with that. Completely legal. Good judgement needs to be used, however.
In the state of Vermont you may open or conceal carry, no license or permit is needed because they don’t exist. No guns are registered. There is no waiting period unless you are “flagged” during the phone call to the ATF during the initial purchase. I will honestly say I have never had a need or want to conceal carry or open carry yet. If you want to carry, have at it. I could care less. Vermont has the second lowest crime rate next to New Hampshire.
The “panic” you speak of is your possible last chance to purchase a firearm you’ve been looking at or thinking about that will be unobtainable in the near future. Most gun owners aren’t viewing this as the end of the world event but an end of a model or style of firearm. Just like people went out and cleaned house on Twinkies. Some buy to hold and resell, some buy now before the price goes up. Some buy now for parts and accessories, once a part breaks on your gun that’s no longer in production you either have parts so you can continue to use that firearm or have parts custom made at a higher price if you can find someone willing to do so. It’s like someone finding 12 new MKII Jetta GLIs in a warehouse that someone kept. Are they worth more and of more value to those looking for parts?
On the other end of the spectrum, you have the others that prepare for December 21st and a financial meltdown. While its excessive and most likely not needed, they’re not breaking any laws. The story on Wikipedia states that Nancy Lanza had these guns for that reason.
I don’t even like to scroll through my news feed on facebook at this point because its either pro-gun, anti-gun, help the families of Newtown, or other complaints about the matter.
But like I said, removing guns completely will never be possible. They’ll be illegal guns still lingering. Everyone is referencing Switzerlands gun laws and low rate of crime, but ignore the fact Switzerland has no standing army. Once you turn 20 you’re automatically in it until 34 unless you continue. Would that help our issue? Who knows. If you look at other countries, some require an extensive psychiatric evaluation before being issued a permit to purchase a gun and require a re-evaluation every X number of years. Ideally that’s best but banning a group of guns with a bad name like “assault weapon” sounds more effective.
And having teachers with guns is absolutely the LAST thing that should be done. Teachers should not have to make a decision to take someone’s life. Not to mention if you have kids in the class that don’t get along, you have an easily accessible firearm in each classroom. Knock the teacher out, grab the gun, now you have a problem.
takes one to know one right :ahh
I dont think they are saying make it mandatory. And that could happen to anyone at any time. If you are that feeble and unaware of your surroundings, dont carry, then you wont be a target. Again, boils down to respobsibility from the armed person.
I can think back to highschool and pick out the teachers that shouldnt have a weapon of protection and I can think of many that SHOULD. One of the hall monitors was an awesome guy. He was an ex CO at a bad prision, has seen alot of shit, and knows how to take a mother fucker down. Dude allways kept his back to a wall, it was imprented into the back of his head.
If anything broke out, he would be the first person, cocked and ready to defend his students. I would 100% trust that man with my life.
My hot english teacher in 11th grade… Not so much. Would smash, but she couldnt stop a pissed off kindergartner kicking her shins.
Teacher turns around to write something on the chalk board or dry erase board or what the fuck ever is in a classroom now. A good club to the back of the head will probably knock anyone out. I don’t give a fuck who you are.
what do they all teach a class full of ninjas?
I am sure you might hear someone get up and come walking or running at them! And do you think EVERY student there will not say “WATCH OUT MRS BADASSWITHAGLOCK TEACHER”!
and again, if you have someone that wants to do that, they will find a way like you said. But hey, atleast the teacher nextdoor is also armed and can kick the door down and try to save some people.
you cant stop/fix stupid… only try to help it
The teacher argument is just retarded.
Alright so we know there are plenty of psycotic students every year in skills willing to kill.
We know half the teachers couldn’t hadle a nerf gun, much less a firearm.
So let’s stuff school of these guns so the psycho students don’t have to worry about ways to find one outside the school or worry about getting it into it. Just break a simple lock on the desk or knock the teacher out.
Even easier if two of them decide to gangup on a teacher.
Kill the teacher, next one runs in armed, say you’re the guy and you had to over power the teacher to stop him from killing you etc.
Or just fire at anything that walks through the door.
But hey man, with everybody armed most he can kill is maybe 5 people and that’s an acceptable number. We are allowed 20 a year I hear before people panic.
Brilliant!
we have more laws and regulations then ever before yet stuff like this still happens. is making more laws the way to fix this problem?
NO. its having better people. laws do not prevent a murder. good people will stop bad people, a law on a paper will not.
ask yourself when is there enough laws? do laws help you or someone else? what do laws do? who makes profit from laws? do most laws effect you in a negitive or positive way? why do we need laws?
we had more gun laws then ever before in america and stuff like this still happened. looks to me like the law didnt stop that stupid ass who shot a school up. and i am pretty sure thats illegal. will more gun laws prevent this in future?
if we had good people everywhere and no bad people this stuff wouldnt happen. simplest way to look at that.
if guns were illegal and he went into a school with a knife he could of done the same damage. so i guess ban on all knifes. buying pre cut steak will be the best investment if that happens.
its hard to think i will be punished for this guys behavior. i should not be punished for his actions
Lol I love reading conspiracy theories that seem to be generated from the medias inability to get their story straight.
Lets roll back the facts here. Some fucking punk is at his desk and wants to flip shit in school and kill a bunch of people.
How are you going to stop it from happening?
And when the shot in hell at STOPPING it from starting, happens whats the next step?