After 85 years of USA Made, Craftsman hand tools now Chinese

I dont know if anyone on here would care, but if I can cost Sears a sale I’m willing to try.

The roll out began in December
http://garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=153020&d=1322365826

I found out yesterday. I know they have been selling imported supplies and larger items for years, but the hand tool line has been synonymous with Made in USA, and since they have other tool lines, I never thought they would ruin the Craftsman line.

To me this undercuts what I have spent decades buying into as part of their warranty, as they will no longer be able to back up the products I’ve bought with an acceptable replacement.

Its also very underhanded how they plan to take advantage of everyones assumption that Craftsman = USA. They have apparently been subtly removing Made in USA off packaging on US made tools so that as the switch rolls out, it will be even harder to notice. The tools will come in the same basic shape (although as the link below shows, thicker to make up for lesser quality steel, rougher finishing quality and less gear lube), with the same packaging part numbers and price. It doesnt look to be stamped with its new country of origin, they just removed the USA and leave you to assume its the same tool you have been buying for 85 years.

Without getting political, I agree with anyone that thinks our manufacturing and economic problems start at the top. That said, I wont let sears off the hook for the following:

  1. ruining a trusted American brand
  2. sneaking chinese goods in under the guise of American made
  3. charging American product prices without supporting American business

Personally, Id rather see the Craftsman line die than sell out, but my agenda is different from theirs and I understand that. However, we dont know their monetary situation. The USA tools could easily be profitable and they would still be willing to trade long term business for the quick buck. They also could have taken any of the following steps instead:

  1. increase the visibility of their lower tool lines as harbor freight has, in order to compete on multiple price points
  2. market the difference in the quality of their products more effectively
  3. modify their warranty requirements to cut down on losses due to improper use or the common practice of finding old estate sale tools, damaging, returning for new etc
  4. been honest to the tool buying community about their intentions and direction

Just thought everyone should know. To me, its an absolute deal breaker. I only support American made tools.

For more pix/info:

Chinese vs. USA Craftsman RP ratchets (PICS) - The Garage Journal Board

Still Made in USA.com - American-Made Tools

-Mark

If it makes you feel any better I wouldn’t expect Craftsman (or Sears for that matter) to be around much longer anyway.

Craftsman tools have been CRAP for a long time. The only good craftsman stuff I have is hand me downs from my dad or grandfather. I pretty much exclusively buy SnapOn or Bluepoint.

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If everyone just accepts that China/Japan will surpass us in everything within the next decade, things would be a lot easier.

This is sad to hear. Craftsman was the perfect tool (handtools I mean) for the weekend warrior or DIY guy. I’d be sick if I tried to figure out how much i would have had to spend to have all my tools originally bought by Mac or Snap-on. I’m sorry for their prices are STUPID for the average person. If you make money with your tools and it is your lively-hood, I understand ahving them, but for everyone else Craftsman filled the void between shit china stuff and the pricey professional stuff. My $0.02

They can surpass us in making shit (maybe in volume, but not in quality), but they don’t have enough money to buy any of it for themselves.

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I agree they are not great tools as they used to be, as I’ve busted my fair share of craftsman sockets and wrenches. However, snapon is way too expensive for weekend mechanics to afford.

It’s too bad, but I can’t really say that I am surprised.

It’s only a matter of time before Snap On moves manufacturing off shore.

complain that china makes shit

still refuse to buy the quality stuff

YOU are the reason right there, average consumer, that it has been moved to china

Hey not all of us are that way.

There needs to be a reasonable step below Snap on prices that is still a quality tool for the recreational mechanic.

$190 for an 8-19mm set of sockets only is out of the average DIYers budget.
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=hand&item_ID=1577&group_ID=246&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

I got my entire 200 piece Craftsman set (back when they were still made here and decent) for less than that. Is it Snap on quality? No. But I’m a weekend shadetree mechanic and they’ve held up fine for 10+ years of wrenching on mine and buddy’s vehicles and toys.

Lets take a gander, shall we?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snap-on-10-Piece-Metric-Combination-Wrench-Set-10-19mm-/170760037846?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&vxp=mtr&hash=item27c21765d6

$180.00

vs

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00923864000P?sid=I0084400010000100383&aff=Y

$9.99

Now, that’s quite the difference, and I am sure that both examples don’t qualify as a true average price. However, where is the “middle of the road” option? I don’t want junk, and I am willing to pay a little bit more to make sure that I am not getting junk. With that said, I think it would be reasonable to pay $40-$50 for the crafstman set (as long as it is not chinese crap).

I understand there is value in pro grade snap-on tools, but it’s just overkill for what I need. The average weekend warrior can’t afford to have $5,000 worth of tools in the garage, it’s just not reasonable.

edit: JayS beat me to it

Husky brand from homedepot is pretty good, 3/8" ratchet took a 2ft breaker bar no problem. Lifetime warranty.

Kobalt from Lowe’s are made by Snap On.

I have a Kobalt kit for Lowes for general home maintenance; I’m pretty happy with the quality (even compared to my car tool collection). There are few times where I resort to Snap-on or Mac. Now that I don’t work on cars at all, I have no need for that selection.

Holy crap, Bad Azz Z/28!

Good to know, just got a huge set for xmas

That’s actually really good to know, I’ll probably try out a few sets and see how they hold up.

They already do, although most of it gets rebranded Bluepoint. My contention was more to the tolerances and durability more than anything else. As for SnapOn price, sure they are expensive, but they also don’t suck, and if you buy used it still carries the warranty at half the price.

Most of my tools are snap-on or bluepoint. My biggest problem with this is I’m not a shop, nor do I work at one. Trying to get warranty work on my shit sucks. I have two MAC sockets I need to get warrantied and still ahve yet to find a guy to do it for me ( going on years now).

My advice go buy a honda and get yourself some Zoloft

Give the MAC stuff to me and I will get it exchanged