Apple stepping up

So yesterday this happened

Apple responded

A Message to Our CustomersThe United States government has demanded that Apple take an unprecedented step which threatens the security of our customers. We oppose this order, which has implications far beyond the legal case at hand.
This moment calls for public discussion, and we want our customers and people around the country to understand what is at stake.

The Need for EncryptionSmartphones, led by iPhone, have become an essential part of our lives. People use them to store an incredible amount of personal information, from our private conversations to our photos, our music, our notes, our calendars and contacts, our financial information and health data, even where we have been and where we are going.
All that information needs to be protected from hackers and criminals who want to access it, steal it, and use it without our knowledge or permission. Customers expect Apple and other technology companies to do everything in our power to protect their personal information, and at Apple we are deeply committed to safeguarding their data.
Compromising the security of our personal information can ultimately put our personal safety at risk. That is why encryption has become so important to all of us.
For many years, we have used encryption to protect our customers’ personal data because we believe it’s the only way to keep their information safe. We have even put that data out of our own reach, because we believe the contents of your iPhone are none of our business.

The San Bernardino CaseWe were shocked and outraged by the deadly act of terrorism in San Bernardino last December. We mourn the loss of life and want justice for all those whose lives were affected. The FBI asked us for help in the days following the attack, and we have worked hard to support the government’s efforts to solve this horrible crime. We have no sympathy for terrorists.
When the FBI has requested data that’s in our possession, we have provided it. Apple complies with valid subpoenas and search warrants, as we have in the San Bernardino case. We have also made Apple engineers available to advise the FBI, and we’ve offered our best ideas on a number of investigative options at their disposal.
We have great respect for the professionals at the FBI, and we believe their intentions are good. Up to this point, we have done everything that is both within our power and within the law to help them. But now the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create. They have asked us to build a backdoor to the iPhone.
Specifically, the FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation. In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession.
The FBI may use different words to describe this tool, but make no mistake: Building a version of iOS that bypasses security in this way would undeniably create a backdoor. And while the government may argue that its use would be limited to this case, there is no way to guarantee such control.

The Threat to Data SecuritySome would argue that building a backdoor for just one iPhone is a simple, clean-cut solution. But it ignores both the basics of digital security and the significance of what the government is demanding in this case.
In today’s digital world, the “key” to an encrypted system is a piece of information that unlocks the data, and it is only as secure as the protections around it. Once the information is known, or a way to bypass the code is revealed, the encryption can be defeated by anyone with that knowledge.
The government suggests this tool could only be used once, on one phone. But that’s simply not true. Once created, the technique could be used over and over again, on any number of devices. In the physical world, it would be the equivalent of a master key, capable of opening hundreds of millions of locks — from restaurants and banks to stores and homes. No reasonable person would find that acceptable.
The government is asking Apple to hack our own users and undermine decades of security advancements that protect our customers — including tens of millions of American citizens — from sophisticated hackers and cybercriminals. The same engineers who built strong encryption into the iPhone to protect our users would, ironically, be ordered to weaken those protections and make our users less safe.
We can find no precedent for an American company being forced to expose its customers to a greater risk of attack. For years, cryptologists and national security experts have been warning against weakening encryption. Doing so would hurt only the well-meaning and law-abiding citizens who rely on companies like Apple to protect their data. Criminals and bad actors will still encrypt, using tools that are readily available to them.

A Dangerous PrecedentRather than asking for legislative action through Congress, the FBI is proposing an unprecedented use of the All Writs Act of 1789 to justify an expansion of its authority.
The government would have us remove security features and add new capabilities to the operating system, allowing a passcode to be input electronically. This would make it easier to unlock an iPhone by “brute force,” trying thousands or millions of combinations with the speed of a modern computer.
The implications of the government’s demands are chilling. If the government can use the All Writs Act to make it easier to unlock your iPhone, it would have the power to reach into anyone’s device to capture their data. The government could extend this breach of privacy and demand that Apple build surveillance software to intercept your messages, access your health records or financial data, track your location, or even access your phone’s microphone or camera without your knowledge.
Opposing this order is not something we take lightly. We feel we must speak up in the face of what we see as an overreach by the U.S. government.
We are challenging the FBI’s demands with the deepest respect for American democracy and a love of our country. We believe it would be in the best interest of everyone to step back and consider the implications.
While we believe the FBI’s intentions are good, it would be wrong for the government to force us to build a backdoor into our products. And ultimately, we fear that this demand would undermine the very freedoms and liberty our government is meant to protect.

Tim Cook

:clap: for Apple

Two things will happen if they write this tool for the government.

  1. The government will abuse it.
  2. The government will lose it and render the security on all these devices useless.

And before you believe the government’s bullshit about “we super duper pinky promise to only use it on this one phone ever” maybe head over to wikileaks or google the name “Edward Snowden”.

In all honesty I doubt the government expects to find anything important on this phone. This is a perfect case though to build public sentiment in their efforts to defeat end user encryption. Trot out their scary terrorists and the usual line of, “we need to do this to protect you” and watch the lemmings happily surrender their rights.

Where’s Chloe O’Brien when you need her?

Maybe the FBIs talent pool isn’t deep enough my friend posted something funny today.

I actually feel bad for the FBI. They need all the backdoors they can get since they don’t have the resources or capability to hire competent security people.
<excerpt from a friends interview>
FBI agent: Have you smoked marijuana more than 6 times?
Interviewee: Like in a day???

In other news don’t use TouchID as the court can compel you to unlock a phone with a finger print :slight_smile:

Wasn’t it Rahm Emanual who said “Never let a good crisis go to waste”. This is the perfect excuse for those fuckers to take something from you.

If Apple stands their ground, I may actually buy an iphone. :slight_smile:

Wow, :tup: to apple for doing the right thing!! Yea it would be good to know everything those stupid martyr goat humpers had on that phone, but it is no where near worth losing our privacy. They were scumbag isis fed terrorists that killed innocent people. They are dead and its over with and we continue to fight their kind. End of story, no need for this. Its just a ploy by the government to breach further into our privacy.

First decision by Apple that I agree with in about a decade.

I don’t know shit about software at all.

The the tech guys on here, do you actually believe Apple cannot access their own code? I’m not saying they’re lying, I’m just asking a question.

The way the phones encryption works no…

The FBI wants Apple to write a new firmware for the phone and code sign it so the phone will accept it…The new firmware will allow unlimited PIN number brute forcing without the auto wipe after 10 tries along with no delay in PIN entry.

I was just on my way home listening to Sandy Beach and a ton of people calling in, the general belief is that Apple is full of shit lol

A bunch of people who know nothing about technology claiming Apple is full of shit :frowning:

An overview of some technical details this isn’t entirely accurate but close

it is nice to see a company with balls. Their claims are 100% legit.

LOL 95% of people posting on the internet. I’ve def been guilty of it in the past. The whole software thing is incredible, to me anyways. I can’t fathom how to even start programming. I paid some asian kid to do my programming HW for my freshman year of college.

A few things that nobody mentions.

If the phone used iCloud for backup with a warrant the FBI can get that data from Apple
FBI already has access to the metadata calls/texts

Beyond that who knows that the NSA logs/keeps track of

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My boss is on CNN now talking about it

It’s happening…

My iTunes update refuses to quit :tinfoilhat:

FBI waving it’s dick around to try and use terrorism as an outlet for getting encryption and privacy broken. Sorry guys, it’s not going to work when you’re dealing with the most influential tech company in the world. What are they going to do, throw Tim Cook in jail? :lol:

Apple knows what it’s doing. They could help the FBI unlock this phone. They won’t do it because they know it’s a political move and they don’t want to set the precedent.

On behalf of all Americans who still believe we may have a shred of freedom left to our names, Thank You.

It’s interesting times people picking and choosing which amendments they like and don’t like.

Equal protection for all, except gun lovers!

So use a long passcode and

Here are a few final tips to make this long-passcode thing work better:

  • Within the “Touch ID & Passcode” settings screen, make sure to turn on the Erase Data setting to erase all data on your iPhone after 10 failed passcode attempts.
  • Make sure you don’t forget your passcode, or you’ll lose access to all of the data on your iPhone.
  • Don’t use Touch ID to unlock your phone. Your attacker doesn’t need to guess your passcode if she can push your finger onto the home button to unlock it instead. (At least one court has ruledthat while the police cannot compel you to disclose your passcode, they can compel you to use your fingerprint to unlock your smartphone.)
  • Don’t use iCloud backups. Your attacker doesn’t need to guess your passcode if she can get a copy of all the same data from Apple’s server, where it’s no longer protected by your passcode.
  • Do make local backups to your computer using iTunes, especially if you are worried about forgetting your iPhone passcode. You can encrypt the backups, too.
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And this

Yeah, let me go ahead and turn off touch id right now and enable a random 11 digit passcode I have to enter every time I access my phone, which is constantly.

Sorry, TouchID is just too convenient. Until I get so fed up with the government that I’m building bombs and keeping the plans for them on my phone I’ll stick with TouchID and feel safe in the fact that even if the government got a warrant to use my fingerprint to unlock the phone they’re not going to find anything interesting on there anyway. Other than the fact that I crushed my kid’s high score in Crossy Road the other day when I was bored.