should of saved the $50 a month for internet connection and paid 300/month for a better car IMO.
especially someone that relies on a car as much as you do.
Yeah it makes alot of sense to pile up miles on a nice car and depreciate it that quickly
its a car, thier meant to be driven :stick:
PM that to bics
i forgot some of you consider cars investments :kekegay:
what exactly is a 15k car for? potential resale ROFL! get real.
:rolleyes:
a VW driver lecturing me about reliability?
cracka please.
7yr/100k mile bumper-to-bumper with no deductible + FREE loaner vehicle > *
i don’t consider my car an investment. i think it’s a good car for the money that’ll be worth about $2500 in five years, so I’ll give it to my brother who will be 16. Korean cars have a shitty resale value. Up until a few years ago, Korean cars were shitty cars.
what is your point dude? are you suggesting my car has problems? or that if I needed service i wouldn’t be provided a car?
it wasn’t a comment on reliability as much as it was a comment showing a simple solution to break your 250 a month maximum payment.
i think you’d know if i was lecturing you.
1: i don’t pay for my internet connection as i haven’t moved into my house yet.
2: i couldn’t justify spending more than $250/month on a car I drive 3000 miles per month.
3: I am suggesting that every consumer review magazine I’ve read puts Volkswagen near the bottom regarding reliability.
Consumer Reports (via CNN.com)
Of the 11 sedans with the lowest predicted reliability, according to the survey, 10 were from European brands including Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar and BMW. Most Volkswagen models were rated far below average for reliability. The all-wheel drive Volkswagen Passat received the lowest reliability rating of any vehicle in the survey.
A spokesman for Volkswagen of America did not deny that the company’s products have had problems. “We are obviously aware of some of these issues,” he said.
The company has been working to track and correct reliability problems, he said, adding that customers should see results in upcoming redesigned 2005 versions of several of its cars.
Consumer Reports (via lemonlawclaims.com)
Consumer Report issued its list of least reliable cars. In the sport cars section are the Hyundai Tiburon, Mercedes Benz CLK, Volkswagen Cabrio, Mazda RX-8 and the Chrysler Sebring convertible. In the mid-range cars, the least reliable are the Jaguar S-type, Jaguar X-type, Volvo s60, Saab 9-3, Mercedes Benz S-Class, E-Class and C-Class, the BMW 5 series and 7 series, the Volkswagen Passat and the Pontiac Grand Prix.
Consumer Reports (via bankrate.com)
Now to the heart of the matter. These cars earned the lowest rates in Consumer Reports 2004 reliability survey. They are listed by category, with vehicles in scoring order beginning with the worst score. The 2005 survey will be available in March and those models might be better … or not.
Small Cars: Volkswagen Golf (turbo), Volkswagen Jetta (turbo), Volkswagen New Beetle
Sporty Cars/Convertibles: Hyundai Tiburon, Mercedes-Benz CLK, Volkswagen Cabrio, Mazda RX-8, Chrysler Sebring Convertible
Sedans: Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Jaguar S-Type, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar X-Tyle, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Mercedes-Benz C Class (V-6), Volvo S60 (AWD), Saab 9-3, Pontiac Grand Prix (supercharged), Volkswagen Passat (AWD), BMW 5 Series
Sport-Utility Vehicles: Land Rover Freelander, Lincoln Navigator, Volkswagen Touareg, Volvo XC90, Nissan Armada, Chevrolet Blazer, Ford Excursion, Hummer H2, Porsche Cayenne, Mercedes-Benz M-Class, Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy, Ford Expedition, Saturn Vue
And while the Korean Suzukis are too new for reliability ratings…
Consumer Reports (via msnbc.com)
The 2004 Hyundai Sonata was the most reliable vehicle in 2004, with two problems per 100 vehicles. Consumer Reports said the Sonata is “further establishing Hyundai’s remarkable turnaround from one of the least reliable brands to one of the best.”
As an overall brand, Hyundai recorded a reliability rating of 11 problems per 100 vehicles, tying it with Toyota Motor Corp.'s Lexus and Nissan Motor Co.'s Infiniti nameplates. Subaru was the most reliable brand in 2004, with an average of eight problems per 100 vehicles.
VCheck - UK’s Carfax knockoff (via jonfry.com)
How do the manufacturers compare?
1 Honda
2 Mazda
3 Toyota
4 Nissan
5 Lexus
6 Hyundai
7 Mitsubishi
8 Daewoo:D
9 Skoda
10 Mercedes-Benz
11 Subaru
12 Seat
13 Volvo
14 Porsche
15 Volkswagen :down:
16 Peugeot
17 BMW
18 Fiat
19 Vauxhall
20 Ford
21 Chrysler
22 MG
23 Jaguar
24 Citroën
25 Renault
26 Alfa Romeo
27 Rover
28 Audi 
29 Saab
30 Land Rover
what is your point?
where did i question the reliability of your suzuki? there are a ton of motorcycle shops that know all about suzuki’s… i’m sure if you have a problem, you can toss it in the trunk of a volkwagen and take it to them 
but really… you said it was the ‘nicest’ car for 13k… i said so save money on a monthly bill and spend more for a ‘better’ car… so thats that…
for someone that RELIES on a car for transportation (work) i would expect a more comfortable car to be purchased…
i have a good 85k on my 2002… and i don’t deliver pizza… did i make a mistake paying 19k for a car?
which in no way changes the statement that it was the nicest car for $13k.
you want me to buy a bonneville with Big Gulp cupholders? i have a sunroof, AC, MP3 player with eight speakers, lumbar adjustability, two height adjust knobs on the driver’s seat (front and back of seat bottom), leather wrapped steering wheel and gearknob… what else do i need?
1: did you buy it new? i wanted a new car.
2: i wanted a reliable car.
If I had bought your car, I’d be kicking myself. You, however, put a value on owning a VW, whereas that badge doesn’t mean shit to me. There are faster AND more reliable cars for the price of a GTI. Hell, you’d see me in a Cobalt SS long before a Mk4 GTI.
when did i question it being the nicest car for 13k? waht point are you making again?
about 50 - 100 more hp
1: did you buy it new? i wanted a new car.
2: i wanted a reliable car.
yeah… but whats the point of asking? what bearing does it have? you bought a car that’s been on the market for how many years? 2? and claim it’s the more reliable? reliability comes with how a car is maintenanced and treated… this is why i have no issues with my car
If I had bought your car, I’d be kicking myself. You, however, put a value on owning a VW, whereas that badge doesn’t mean shit to me. There are faster AND more reliable cars for the price of a GTI.
so whos’ the one lecturing?
how do i put a value on owning a volkswagen… i’d love to hear this one.
and if you bought my car, i’d sell it.
ok,well you are satisfied with the Reno…everyone is proud of you. end of story. 
no, but seriously i see what Sonny is sayin. i dont think he meant to take a shot at your car, i think it was just a suggestion that since you spend alot of time driving you mightve wanted to get a car that you liked better…nothing more than that. but i agree, the Reno isnt bad for the price, so you arent wrong fo buyin one.
it was that… and the fact that he always tries to promote his car… then when it comes down to it he cries about wanting a new car and only being able to spend 13k… so i opened options by suggesting he save money elsewhere and spend it on the car to allow himself to purcahse a 15k car or a 17k car. it’s not like this is a car enthusist board where you’d assume the users would hold a car to a higher standard that basic transportation…
The problem is that there really isn’t anything under $20k anymore that I’m remotely interested in. There aren’t any ‘hot hatches’, to use a lame but oft-repeated term. If Honda had a hatchback I like for under $20k, I would have spent the extra money. Something like a CRX, I would have bought. Hell, if any Japanese maker had a fun three door for under $20k I probably would have bought it. The problem is that no one makes them anymore, except for the Civic Si…which is a bit too odd for me. The Corolla has become a bloated sedan, as has the Sentra. The Hyundai Accent was the only two door hatch I could even look at.
it wasn’t that i could only spend $13k, it was that there was nothing under $20k on which I could justify spending the extra money. What would I buy for $15k? A Civic Coupe? So I could have a slower car with less options, but at least it would have a resale value? :rolleyes:
what about the mazda3? my buddy has a 6 and loves it, don’t really know what differs between teh two though :dunno:
no doubt… i can understand what u mean if thats the type of car u lookin for. i’m not too up on that scene so i dont really know what all is out there. but if there is nothin u like then why spend the extra cash. the only other option i could think of was to browse the used market for a nice low-mile, higher end car that you like. but u made your choice, so thats cool.
a friend of mine has a loaded Mazda3 2.3
it’s a nice car, but i think it’s terribly overpriced.
The 6 is a family car, and the basis for the Taurus-replacement Ford Fusion.
The 3 is the same platform as the new, Europe-only Ford Focus.
it’s going to be a lot better in a few years… most of the japanese manufacturers have quick little hatches coming out soon… but the last few years have been all about little sedans (Madzaspeed Protege, Sentra SE-R, Corolla XRS)