"The witness interviewed last night said shootout, they threw a pressure cooker ied at officers and set it off, black hat charged the two dozen or so officers and was tackled, somewhere in there he allegedly detonated something on his body.
white hat hops back in jacked suv, drives right through the officers, running over his brother in the process, and gets away.
Attending doc said multiple gunshot wounds and blast injuries on black hat consistent with explosion."
Just getting to read through this thread now. Jesus.
I hope he’s brought to justice before doing anymore harm. And by justice I mean death, by hammer.
Now they are looking for a green Civic?
If you can’t defend your home with a shotgun, as opposed to a high-powered assault rifle, you suck at life. If you’re the typical inexperienced shitty shot, it’s probably better since you can spray and pray, plus you don’t have to worry about taking out your neighbors through walls.
I have my choice of dozens of guns and if I had to pick one for stopping power on an intruder to my home, I’d be packing my 10-gauge.
I wasnt trying to say that an AR is the best choice, or even a good one, just that lots of these people think that ALL guns are bad, and hopefully that will change based on this event.
Dan
A shotgun is more likely to blast into your neighbors wall than an AR. And spray and pray is not good!!!
Apparently they were trying to use cell phone pings to track suspect. Phone hasn’t been active in days.
I sincerely doubt buckshot has nearly the penetrating power of 5.56 nato.
Having shot plenty of things in my life, plus the fact that they try to produce frangible 5.56 rounds to combat this exact problem; leads to me believe this.
A shotgun sprays your wall and all the shit sticks in there. If you’re in a crappy apartment with thin walls maybe they have something to worry about but the house next door is fine. Of the 10 rifle rounds you unload (7 in NY? :tif: ) it only takes 1 to go through your wall and kill your neighbor.
i have a feeling that he killed himself and is not going to be found for awhile.
http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=26
Summary
The 55 grain HP .223 has less penetration than any of the other ammunition tested. Based on the results of this testing, there appears to be no basis for concern regarding the over penetration of the .223 [HP] round. In fact, it seems even safer in this regard than .40 S&W handgun ammunition.
The hollow point cavity in the .40S&W round filled with material when shot through the wall. This caused [these bullets] to fail to expand when they entered the gelatin. As a result, they penetrated 8.5" farther than when shot directly into the gelatin.
When the .223 [HP] was shot through he wall it began to fragment and as a result penetrated the gelatin only 5.5".
Because the .223 [HP] begins to break up on impact, it has less potential for damage or injury than the 12 ga. in the event of a ricochet. The .223 [HP] is obviously safer in an urban environment than the 12 ga. with slugs or buckshot.
Additional testing conducted proved that the .223 would penetrate a car door or glass. The .223 rounds fired into windshields began to break up after entering the glass and did not retain much energy. In most cases these rounds split in two.
And here - http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm
Hollow points :rolleyes: Who uses those?
Lol. Fox just interviewed his friend. We used to smoke pot and listen to rap music
Thanks LZ, I was looking for a good reference to back up my claim.
Sobo said buckshot and that test used a 12 ga. slug.
I would doubt that shot especially 10ga as Joe referenced would penetrate the same as a .223 round
Yea my bad…
however the other link I posted should cover the buckshot
Basically it comes down to both of them go through a bunch of shit :lol:
Aunt is on Fox now.
Sounds like we should do some of our own real world testing this summer. 
I just got 500rds of 00 buck and a bunch of 5.56 :tup:
I wouldn’t make the call on over penetrating between the two…
It’s easier to hit a moving target with a shotgun and its got more stopping power then the AR
AR is easier to shoot, holds more ammo, low recoil, etc
I have been driving all day today. Downloaded the UStream app and played the scanner. Really interesting to hear what is happening and then to check back with CNN, Fox, etc… and see that they are so far behind the 8 ball on this stuff. CNN is reporting that the suspect may be driving around in the green Honda Civic, however I overheard on the scanner that they called out that plate and one of the officers stated that car was right in front of him unoccupied. They even ran a Vin # to double check it.