Saw this article on R&T online http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=6996 and got a lil excited. I’m curious to see how the new CTS-v stacks up against the M5. I think the V should be able to run right with if not past the M5. Its good to see Cadillac a serious contender in this catergory once again.
I wondered what other’s thought and predictions are on this match-up.
before another 5 pager starts about how the BMW is superior in every way
M5
Starting at $83,900 MSRP
RWD
V-10 engine
power 378.1 kw / 507.0 bhp @ 7750 rpm
torque 520 nm / 383.5 ft lbs @ 6100 rpm
4,012 lb
0 - 60 mph 4.2 seconds
0 - 100 mph 9.4 seconds
0 - 1/4 mile 12.4 seconds
top speed 259.1 kph / 161 mph
17 mpg hwy*
Nürburgring: 8:13
2009 CTS-V:
Price estimated between $65k and $75k
RWD
Supercharged V8
556hp
551 lb-ft
4,300 lbs.
0-60: 3.9 seconds
ZR1 get 23 so maybe 20 mpg?
Nürburgring: 7:59
My dad looked at the V in 2004 and thought it had a horrible interior compared to his BMWs (he has had a E36, E39, E65 and now a Z4 M roadster), had a crappy shifter but was fun to drive. At the autoshow he told me if they built that V like they had there, BMW would have their hands full. None of us have sat in a production model, granted I have seen 10+ on the road and the recaros look nice.
And obviously the ring time with an engineer driving shows it can get out of its own way.
It’s amazing how much HP these cars both have for 4 door sedans.
the cts-v was just on a top gear i watched he said the same thing big ron’s dad said, nice motor, shitty shifter and cheap interior
Granted I decided to buy one 4 years later.
It has a Tremec T-56 in it, so a short shifter cleans it up a lot.
As for the interior I think it’s ok. Heated leather with suede inserts. Too much plastic for my liking but I deal with it just fine.
As for the brand new 2009 V, thats a whole new story. No wheel hop, no differential issue, interior that I really like with recaros as an option.
The perception will still be that the BMW is a drivers car and the V is a cruiser that you can beat on from light to light, but I want to drive both before making a final judgement.
Fuck all that performance!
Which has better interior?!
lol ^
The perception will still be that the BMW is a drivers car and the V is a cruiser that you can beat on from light to light, but I want to drive both before making a final judgement.
man, I really can’t say that I’d call either a true drivers car (too many bells and whistles and control systems that coddle the driver). Now a 911 on the other hand 
Funny thing is, 99.8% of the people arguing about it has never been in both cars. ANd 86.3% haven’t even been in either. They will vouch for the BMW because a magazing 3 years ago said its interior was better. :lol:
Yet, actually Justin, I would have to say the Caddy. 2 of my of friends at work recently got some new cars. One kid just got a 2008 CTS the other has had an '06 525 for a few months, and I’ll tell you what. All 3 of us would agree the Caddy interior is nicer. Its looks better, makes more sense the way things are laid out, and materals are on par with the BMW. Not to mention its more user friendly than the BMW due to its lack of I-drive. From experience guys, not an article in an 05 Motortrend folks. I did catch that AUdi thread. that was pretty funny.
AMERICA ALWAYS WINS!
I know it was a joke but here is a comparison:
Will the new CTS-V be offered in a 6 speed manual?
Wow, Cadillac with a really nice interior on a really nice car. Since when did GM start trying again? I still don’t like the temp controls it looks like they came out of a 92 station wagon.
circa 2004?
that’s not a really nice interior… that’s a clusterfuck of vents and buttons all over the place.
I was just thinking… wouldn’t the M5 compete against the STS and not the CTS? I want to say it should be 4 door M3 vs CTS-V
4300#?!?
My AWD ALLROAD weighs less!
Yes, gen 1 only had a 6 speed. This model will offer both.
The forums are still praying for an AWD and/or wagon model, but I doubt they will be happening. The coupe is a go.
M5
length 191.5 in
width 72.7 in
height 57.8 in
M3 Sedan
length 181.7 in
width 71.5 in
height 55.8 in
CTS-V
length 191.6 in
width 72.5 in
height 58.0 in
interesting… the CTS-V is a bigger car than a thought… or maybe it’s that the 3 series hasn’t grown as big as I thought (they feel like the size of an old 5).
STS-V is a beast
length 197.6 in
width 72.6 in
height 58.2 in
weight 4,371 lbs
new thread, how does that compare to the alpina B7 :lol: