Ditch or Embrace?

(this article was taken from buffalorising.com)

Ditch or Embrace?
by westcoastperspective

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Slideshow of Emscher Park

While the debate rages over preserving or demolishing our grain elevators, it may be benefitical to investigate what another region is doing with its industrial past. Germany is a recognized a leader in reuse of former industrial properties (brownfields)and their projects are stunning. As recently as 2000, a contingent of residents, community leaders, and government officials from WNY and Southern Ontario participated in an International Brownfields Exchange to see first hand how fallow industrial properties have been redeveloped overseas.

Sound preposterous? Read on.

 Emscher Park is brownfields redevelopment on a massive scale. Emscher Park lies in the Ruhr valley of northwestern Germany, once the heartland of Europe's steel and coal industries. With the restructuring of these heavy industries over the past 30 years, derelict steel works and abandoned coal mining operations spread throughout the northern Ruhr region, leaving the legacy of high unemployment, the scars of environmental contamination, and the haunting shadows of the gigantic steel plants. 

Faced with such wide-spread economic and environmental impacts, the State Government of NorthRhine-Westphalia created a regional redevelopment approach – the International Building Exhibition (IBA) at Emscher Park. IBA is confronting the complex regional challenges of repairing the environmental damage left behind from these heavy industries, while also designing urban communities of the future. One of the most striking aspects of IBA’s Emscher Park are the mammoth steel plants, smoke stacks, and gas storage tanks that litter the landscape of the Ruhr region. Many of these abandoned and rusted edifices rise ten stories or higher. While a few facilities remain active, many have not been used for decades.

IBA devised an ingenious reuse strategy that preserves these enormous relics as museum pieces of its industrial past and promotes them as centers of cultural activities. The term “industrial monument” captures the essence of the Emscher Landscape Park where concerts are staged against the backdrop of a former steel plant’s framework and people hike among the hills of reclaimed coal pilings. The twelve story gas-o-meter in Oberhausen no longer stores natural gas, but is the home for many unique cultural events: concerts, parties, plays, conventions, and meetings.

At the heart of the Landscape Park is the former ironworks at Duisburg-Nord shut down in 1985. Occupying almost 200 hectares of open land between the suburbs of Meiderich and Hamborn, the ironworks and the imposing three blast furnaces of the Thyssen steelworks create an impressive skyline of industrial monuments. The natural decay and dilapidation of the site presents a strong connection with its industrial past, but also illustrates how nature itself can reclaim these industrial relics26. What was once an active colliery, coke works and smelter, is soon becoming an open space recreational area, complete with hiking trails and climbing walls.

Buffalo has the industrial relics and seed money from the NYPA settlement, do we have the will?

Source: US Environmental Protection Agency

Some similar projects throughout the US that are inspiring and relevant:

http://www.vrseattle.com/pages/browse.php?cat_id=64

http://www.photo.net/philip-greenspun/photos/pcd4315/baltimore-harbor-barnes-and-noble-80.tcl

http://www.okcrocks.com/gallery04.php

http://www.upperlimits.com/bloomington/aboutthegym.html

http://www.photohome.com/photos/ohio-pictures/akron/quaker-square-1.html

http://www.photohome.com/photos/ohio-pictures/akron/quaker-square-2.html

pave it all

yea, like buffalo could pull something like that off

were talking about the city that found the original canal entrence while redoing the waterfront, but instead decided to rebury it and create a replica instead …

Buffalo is boring and without imagination. The administartion is ignorant and lacks any foresight or creativity. The waterfront is a joke. For a project like this to succeed there have to be people to ATTEND the venue. Promoters have to book concerts, ect. Thats not going to happen in Buffalo. Look what happened to the Pier… one of the best venues in Buffalo…

I really cant believe this idea is even on the table. This just shows how fucking stupid the people here are.

Save the decrepid grain elevators… so there is another tribute to Buffalos incompetent administration and how they drove all the big business out of the area.

rich products just closed the plant my father used to work at because its CHEAPER to move every bit of machinery to BRAZIL because THATS cheaper then continueing to do buisiness in buffalo

I’m with you on that…

FYI, it costs over 2-3 million to demolish a grain elevator. These buildings were built to last forever, and they are not easy to take down.

I am not a preservationist. Noone wants to see restored grain elevators, I am a rationalist… I ask questions.

I am 100% for REUSE of facilities.

Buffalo is already 50% parking lots.

I am perfectly fine with taking down something old, if it will be replaced with something with equal or greater significance. We do not need strip malls, we do not need plazas, we do not need cookie cutter, thrown together buildings.

Anyone remember when we were a hair close to losing the Guaranty Building? Without Hodgson Russ coming in to save it we would have torn down one of the most architectually significant building in the city.

Rat infested, unsavable, inhabitable, falling down & crumbling… these are all words that were used to describe many buildings in buffalo that have been saved and reused including Ani Difrancos Church on delaware, and the post office.

What is going to come out of knocking down all of the old buildings in buffalo? Do we want to be Florida with 1000’s of strip malls and nothing remotely interesting (because there is obviously not going to be a disney world or resorts here).

Are tourists going to come to buffalo to see a city that is 75% parking lots? (I am not saying that people are going to come to see grain elevators in thier current form either, but they have potential to serve many other purposes that will enrich and add character to the city and the projects for which they inspire) .

Right now, I see reuse being our best option. It actually has been said that there is a chance the Senecas may use the silos in thier casino design now… there is a call for designs, which I am sure will influence at least one firm to come up with a reuse plan.

I think something like the first post in this thread mentioned is perfectly viable for Buffalo… who says we cannot start drawing the acts away from places like Darien Lake, and HSBC… How about the hard rock acts that cannot play at DL? Icon and Towne Ballroom have been bringing tons of great smaller acts to the city, I see no reason that we cannot attract larger acts and festivals, especially if we have unique facilities. Warped tour, Ozfest, etc, all and any festival and show we can draw to the city will bring new money to the city, in many more ways than just the show.

How about a Huge indoor/outdoor climbing Gym?

How about a Boutique Hotel?

How about a massive indoor/outdoor nightclub and restaurant complex?

There are endless possibilities for Old Buffalo… we just need more people open to change, and improving what we have rather than saying PAVE IT ALL?! Tell me, how more parking lots are going to help this city?

For the immediate future, I think the best option is to allow artists to paint these structures, light them up, and make them look good for the time being. Its only a matter of time before the city starts to see the money and the developers start to go after these properties, but I think we need to make them presentable for the time being.

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photo by Michael Calanan www.calanan.com

Maybe we can brew beer in that shit? :gotme:

X… :lol:

Not a bad idea!

damn… that would be a lot of beer

^ :rofl:

I really don’t see any more use to it…Is a massive fugly structure

again…pave it all

Oh no here we go again.

I’ll say what I said before. If someone can acutally do something with the grain elevators and make them useful/visitor draw, then I say keep them.

If its going to be like everything else in Buffalo where they sit there for 20 more years while politicians fuck about, then get rid of them now.

I think the grain elevators would make incredibly solid landfill for our swampy water front.
Spending $2-3 million to tear them down would be the best investment.

Basically the more old concrete structure we remove the more waterfront we would have and everyone knows what that’s worth.

With all of the new codes and energy costs it would be cheaper in the long run to demo buildings built with old technology.

+1

Just please, try and explain to me how this will help this city in any way, shape or form.

There are many things that were once very ugly, old and rotting in buffalo that are now beautiful.

There is not manhattan, we have plenty of vacant land. There is no need to knock these down. Even if we paint them and seal them up for the time being, add some lighting to them, make them presentable until the time comes when someone can do something with them.

Think of them this way…

A Civic hatch sitting in a junkyard… no rot on the chassis, but the paint needs some work, and the car overall needs TLC, just waiting for someone with a little passion to turn that POS Honda into a beautiful machine. (ie: Mr. Smith)

In its current form, its junk, we might as well crush it… but take someone with a vision, some passion and some cash, and it can be saved.

Now pretend that this type of chassis is pretty rare, and holds great significance to the evolution of automotive performance, regardless if it was pretty or not… and you sort of have a similar situation.

(*that was my lame attempt at comparing this to cars, please disregard).

Have you never been to a city that has turned and old industial section of the city into a thriving reuse?

Maybe its because I am a creative, maybe it is because I am a designer… visual thinker… who knows. I can see the future of it, and it will be much greater if we take what we have and reuse it.

Its the same reason I would rather live in an old house in the city rather than a new build in the burbs… There is just something about the stories buried in the walls, the fact that there is history behind it that enriches it.

Let me just restate…

I am not opposed to progress, I just want the right things to happen in the right way.

Knock an old building down… but please, lets replace it with something worthy and significant.

Find the investors that are willing to put money down to make and “intervention” on this elevators. It’s a great idea to make the elevators functional once again…but specially in Buffalo, is not going to happen. Knocking them down will be the best investment.

In other part, an historical landmarks like Buffalo Central will be great for a Hotel & Casino leaving the original facades. Making it more sweetable for investors.

I have an architecture education and I see your visual thinking…it is sad, but if they dont knock them down is just going to sit there for another 15-20 years

I dont think you have seen the massive increase in investment and development in downtown in the past two years.

There are a good dozen projects going on or just completed that are old industrial buildings reused for residential or retail. Main St is seeing lots of investment, as well as washington, oak, ellicott, etc.

The cobblestone building is also underway with a huge reuse project including residential, restaurants, gym, etc. This is just the beginning… We need to hit a critical mass in this area of the city of about 10,000 residents, and then it will become a self-sustaining community, which will then provide the necessary demographics to attract retail such as Ikea, banana republic, H&M, food stores, bars, etc.

I believe the number of new units in the area over the past few years has hit a total of 1600, with about 100 more almost complete.

This is just the beginning. Investors are seeing the value in cities like buffalo with low real estate costs, relatively low cost of living, etc. The housing /real estate boom is ending in the south and out in the west, so these investors are looking for value.

On another note: How is knocking them down investment? Knocking them down for the sake of knocking them down is hardly investment… where is your return? Is there something substantial that needs the exact land where any of these are standing? Is there no vacant land that would be equally if not better suited for whatever would be planned on replacing these? There is tons of vacant land.

( I am not talking about just one of these, I am talking about all of them in general, as for the H&O, I am optimistic to see the submitted designs when they are submitted… that is if the lawsuit doesnt stop the casino from building at all)

Don’t tell me we cannot make a beautiful waterfront while embracing these buildings and making them a useful and beautiful part of it. It can be done, and buffalo will be better off for it.

i dont see how these two statements about the area can both be true …