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see , this is why we will never get off of oil dependency . instead of researching e-85 more and pushing that they spend millions on this crap that will never work .
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E85 is a failure of alternative fuels.
How so? While its not as efficent as gas, its something that could be grown here and refined to lessen our dependency on oil.
IMO Any fuel we can come up with that doesn’t mean us being dependent on another country is a good alternative fuel. Regardless of cost and efficiency it means keeping money here in the US
They didn’t make new fields for this, agriculture had to dedicate old fields and partially restructure to supply for Ethanol, for which it had to be subsidized by the gov’t.
What does that mean? Gov’t $$$ spend, and $$$ of our foods go up.
It takes gas to manufacture ethanol and it still needs 15% of regular gas for E85. So you’re still using gas while getting worse mileage. Winning? I think not.
Put 10% of that shit into regular gas and decrease fuel economy across every vehicle in the US while we are trying to increase MPG and crying for green vehicles? Not winning.
Did we start paying $1 a gallon because of this wonderful alternative? Prices didn’t even blink.
For the fourth time in our history the ethanol industry has come undone and is quickly failing nationally. Of course it’s one thing when Detroit collapsed with the economy; after all, that is a truly free-market enterprise and the economy hasn’t been good. But the fact that the ethanol industry is going bankrupt, when the only reason we use this additive is a massive government mandate, is outrageous at best.
Don’t let anybody mislead you: The new push to get a 15% ethanol mandate out of Washington is simply to restore profitability to a failed industry. Only this time around those promoting more ethanol in our gas say there’s no scientific proof that adding more ethanol will damage vehicles or small gas-powered engines. With that statement they’ve gone from shilling the public to outright falsehoods, because ethanol-laced gasoline is already destroying engines across the country in ever larger numbers.
http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm
A gallon of ethanol may require up to more than 2,100 gallons of water from farm to fuel pump, depending on the regional irrigation practice in growing corn, according to the study detailed in the April 15 issue of journal Environmental Science & Technology.
In June, the Bush administration reported to Congress that the federal ethanol incentive program has done precisely the opposite of what was intended. Instead of reducing gasoline consumption, foreign oil dependency, and air pollution, the program caused Americans to use 473 million more gallons of gasoline in 2000 than in 1999. In fact, if this program remains in place, it actually will increase gasoline use by 9 billion gallons from 2005 to 2008.
Written on March 30, 2011 by Nathaniel Davidson
Late last year, even the Eco-Prophet (or should that be Eco-Profit?) Al Gore had to admit the failure of one of the grand schemes of environmentalists: ethanol in fuel:
We’ve tried the ethanol experiment, and it’s failed.
Ethanol hasn’t significantly affected our dependence on imported oil, nor has it significantly cut carbon emissions. It has, however, cost taxpayers a bundle, including raising food prices.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700091509/Declare-ethanol-a-failure.html
Any questions? This stuff is garbage that’s increasing the cost of foods, actually increases our oil imports or at the very least does nothing to effect them, ruins small engines and cars, decreases MPG across the board and is costing us a fortune in gov’t subsidies.
Your garbage. E85 is not a failure
If we lived in an area like Brazil where we could grow a more efficient ethanol prooducing crop like sugar cane it might work, but corn is just not an efficient option.
Care to back that up with facts instead of a comeback of a 2nd grader?
Yea I can back that up with a comeback of an undergraduate student from Siena college. Just not right now.
You’re* MOTHERFUCKERS.
:rofl
Ok i’ll agree with vlad here. E85 research should be thrown out the window and hydrogen power research should be the main priority of this current administration. FCX clarity is the future, unfortunately we might have to wait until we run out of oil before we realize it. The oil industry controls everything, a lot more than most people know.
So my tax dollars were spent on E85 production. I would be doing myself an injustice if I didn’t use it.
My biggest issue with E85 is that it is not E100!
In all seriousness. Our government has spent trillions of dollars funding other countries armys to protect OPECs resources as well as the money spent to protect assets with our own military and American lives. The amount they used to fund American farmers is pennies in comparison
Your tax dollars were spend on you getting worse mileage without price of gas dropping while cost of food increasing.
MY biggest peeve is E85 is now climbing to 3.50 a gallon. Before it was under $2 I think for awhile. What’s going to happen is it’s going to be the same price as standard 87, and that’s retarded.
I’ve been paying 3.19 for the past few weeks.
Cheapest I paid last yr was 1.99.
When I got tuned last year I paid 2.20 gal… E85 is highest in the winter and drops a bit in the summer… But that was last yr.
I’ve been paying 3.19 for the past few weeks.
Cheapest I paid last yr was 1.99.
That’s a large margin. And will only increase.
if E85 wasn’t so BADASS for performance i’d be pissed. As far as being a savior for gas prices and the american dependance on foreign oil they couldn’t be more wrong.
Well I guess that’s one way of looking at it.
For once government spend an insane amount of money and setup a nation wide infrastructure to support high performance/high boost enthusiasts. :ponder
i wouldnt expect this from you. but then again i dont know you. atleast there are police that care bout bigger picture
damn vlad, i agree with you on something. i just did a paper about ethanol fuels. and the vision the government has for it, and the reality is WAY OFF.
sure it makes great power, so for car junkies its great, but for everyday people. no so much.
the cost to produce outweighs the benefit by far.
ill stick to dead T-Rex’s for my fuel source.
I love diesel anything btw.