for us that went to flash light drags

Hey pal, the porn comment didn’t come from me. Maybe you missed the “Tech inspection: All vehicles must be teched before they can make a pass. Tech sheets must be filled out properly and must be legible. Driver must be with car for tech. NHRA rules will be enforced. Tech starts upon arrival.” That’s copied directly from the SV site. Or possible “*Vehicles that run under xxx, providing proper safety equipment is in place in the car. NHRA and IHRA rules apply.” which is copied from the FLD site. Finally, the rules that used to be posted on the FLD site specified street tires, no trailering to the event. Like I said. If I’m going to go to a strip where I need to tech and that’s an hour and a half away, I’m trailering and taking slicks. Problem is that to make NHRA tech rules and not have a cage I need to run a throttle stop - which is ALSO not allowed at Steel Valley (pesky rules). No throttle stop? Can’t pass tech without a cage. Throttle stop? Can’t run under Steel Valley rules. It’s not FLD anymore. No big deal - I just want to know where the “TBD” dates are going to be and what the deal with PID is so that I can make other plans. There’s not that many weekends during the season. There are 4 dates marked TBD.

Wah wah wah then don’t fucking show up.

That easy. problem solved.

Slicks are against the spirit of the event.

i own 3 spots at sv dragway my friend and we are not sanctioned, he just says that to seem important, our altered would need re inspected because it hasnt been in forever and the passenger compartment isnt up to 09 rules either, you dont need throttle stop and if you run under a certian time all they make you do is put on a helmet. ive been up there for a couple years now so i would know, and im pretty sure that the sv rules wont apply to fld event, im assuming it will be like you guys are renting the track so he has no say in what can and cnt run. he as in the owner of the track. and you dont need a cage either.

Yeah, jackoff I know slicks are against the spirit. Maybe you can’t read. The point of FLD was that they were local venues that you DROVE to and ran in street trim without having to tech and meet all NHRA/IHRA rules. Now FLD no longer seems to be local, there’s a mention of following NHRA rules on the FLD site, and on the site of the tracks they’re using. Also on the FLD site was the statement that they would be releasing more detailed information at World of Wheels (which they didn’t) and some rumors from here - along with an email address that they never ever respond to. So a bunch of us are trying to figure out of FLD’s are still, well, FLD and not just low end test and tune nights at a track further away that you still have to follow NHRA rules for. Maybe - just MAYBE you ought to think that some of us have hours of driving to get there and want to know how it’s going to be run before we make that trip?

If that’s true it woudl be nice, though probably still too far away to drive and not trailer, and I don’t want to piss off other FLD guys by trailering in when you’re not supposed to. We need to know exactly what kind of deal FLD made with them. At other tracks even if they’re rented, insurance requires that the leasing party follow the same safety rules. So, 13.49 or faster in a vert or 11.49 requires 6 point roll bar and 10.99 requires a full cage. We need to understand what they’re going to enforce and what they’re not. Hate to go all that distance and get kicked off the track for being too fast.

how would they enforce nhra rules if the fld are not a timed event.

Maybe you should compare our locations listed, it seems to be about the same distance, maybe I am even further who gives a fuck.

This is still a month away, I am sure things are going to be run as normal as possible to what we are used to at Zeli and such.

zeli is about the same distance for me as steelvalley. and how is PID not local?

i agree i will be going to sv for t&t tomrrow and i willask all the questions i can to the owner, hopefully he knows some shit to clear this up

if the weather hold out i may stop by SV tomo for something to do. my car isn’t running but need my fill of racing again lol

test and tune out there isnt really a big croud most nights. usually just 10 cars will show, but i need to go pay for my spots and get some shit setup. camping is aloud on site btw.

yeah i know that is why i like going there. get 15 runs in about 2 hrs taking it easy.

where you ever there last summer, if so what car? im gonna guess an el camino

yep went a few times last summer

I compared the locations. I’ll spell it out for you. I am SOUTHEAST of Pgh, closer to Waynesburg. Waynesburg and PID are local. PRP is fine - just all the regs. SV is more than 3 times further away. I’d have to trailer, and that’s against FLD rules. I really don’t care how close you are to SV. The point is that all the locations currently seem to be in Ohio at this point. The FLD site has STILL not been updated, and they don’t answer a single friggin email. I’m all for FLD - just wondering how the organizers want support but don’t publicize anything, answer any questions or provide any info. Anyway, too late. Of the 4 “TBA” dates, we’ve made plans for the first 3. Not everyone lives near Ohio.

PID is local. It’s at this point just not going to be open as far as any info provided. There is no - repeat no - confirmation that PID will be used by FLD in 2009. Maybe somebody will provide a correction - love to see that. But at this point I’m guessing it was just a dream.

well according to mike and terk it is so…just going by what they said to me and a few others.

for the people thinking sleel valley is strict. or whatever i took this down the track today ran a 21.888 and 22.54 mph

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/zachpoland/IMG_6879.jpg

And I’m just repeating what the FLD owners are telling me! Please keep in mind these guys have regular jobs, familes, cars they are building and many other things that consume their time. I am thankful that they have organized the FLD’s and continue to do so in spite of the tremendous cost, political grief, the ridiculous amount of time to set up, tear down, listen to people gripe because they didn’t get picked for the top tuners or big dawgs, attending council meetings, aviation committee meeting, township and borough meetings, negotiating contracts with dragstrips etc. etc… All to pay insurance companies the majority of the gate fees and not even have time to run their own cars! Turk told me last week that the current owner of PID has been unavailable/out of town which has prevented them from meeting at the old PID track and discussing the resurfacing. He did tell me that we would be racing there this year but as summer approaches, I agree that it is looking questionable as to the probability of actually having a FLD event there…

You obviously haven’t been to many FLD’s and seen all of the trailers parked just outside the gates…

Mike, appreciate the answer, but… If they want “help” (which was offered in the email) then they actually need to respond to one. In the past year, not a single email has ever beeen responded to. Ever. I understand they’re busy, but either they want support or they don’t. So, being slow to respond is one thing. Absolutely ignoring people is another. Bottom line is that there is apparently no way whatsoever to actually talk to these folks even if it’s to offer help. That’s no way to succeed. I have been to FLDs and have seen some trailers, and have also listened to people walking around talking about how it isn’t right. Rules are rules. Anyway, seems like a moot point. Seems VERY unlikely that logistically they’ll be able to use PID this summer to me. They’d need to not only resurface the strip, but also do some major improvements to access and parking area. If it hasn’t already been scheduled, that would be a real tough deadline for all that. Then I’m guessing they also need to get with local municipalities, and with the home construction that’s happened there over the last decade they’d need to get approval for the noise/traffic. Not likely gonna happen by this summer if they haven’t already started - which from the sounds of things they have not. It’s too bad - I’ve spoken to a number of people who never went to a FLD event but would definitely have shown up at PID. But they sure won’t be going to Ohio.

I can appreciate you wanting to help and I understand your frustration. My sons and I have offered to help at the FLD events over the last several years and have been ignored. So don’t feel bad. I even mentioned to one of the owners two years ago that it’s kinda rude when someone offers help that you ignore them. The point to what I’m saying here is that it is pretty obvious to me (and I think you) that they don’t want or need help. I’m not sure what they need (other than a place to race closer to the racers). For me, I hope that they get things squared away with Sunset Raceway. As for distance, Ohio, West Virginia, Maryland I really don’t care, I’m in it for the fun not necessarily the convenience. But I do understand the distance can be a limiting factor.

It sounds like a shanty operation now so why are you guys getting so fired up about it? Plan on going to normal track dates or get together a track day and organize it yourselves. All this bickering about driving and trailer’ing…waaaaahhh! If ur car isn’t street trim then don’t run it. That was the original intent of the FLD’s. I guess my point is this; if it turns into slicks and trailer queens what makes it different than a normal track session other than being heads up instead of timed.