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S13GG if you dont know what your talking about please dont post, look at the picture before you post anything, this piece is cut around the frame rails, the frame rails are complete you just need to torch them off and the spot welds will come off, and spot weld it back onto another s13 chassis, i specifically posted i cut AROUND all joints and no joints are missing, the frame rail job is worth 300 dollars at most
buddy^, really, so after the original frame rail is removed and ready for this one to go on, whats holding the car together? gravity? the car would sag and no longer have the original shape…
why do you think people patch frame rails rather than replace them? think about it…
EDIT: is this the 3rd time I’ve corrected your mis-info to fellow son members, don’t get into this who knows what their talking about, because If I don’t know I don’t speak, unlike… :roll:
the frame machine is to hold the car in proper alignment when there is NO STRUCTURE to hold it in proper alignment…
you can take my word for it, or try it your self and end up with a bannana car.
Your mistaken, go back to the thread, I said its not recommended to charge a fully drained battery with your alternator, as this may cause the alternator to fail.
and as for shitting on your thread, think what you want but, there is a god chance I’ve helped someone from butchering THEIR car into something worthless…
the frame machine is to hold the car in proper alignment when there is NO STRUCTURE to hold it in proper alignment…
you can take my word for it, or try it your self and end up with a bannana car.
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It’s a UNIBODY car, those frame rails are paper thin.
Half this site drives around with these rails rotted out and stiff suspension, that’s going to do more damage than putting the car on jack stands, cutting one out and welding in a new one.
Have you ever seen where a frame machine holds a unibody car from??
Have you looked under a rhd s13?? Half of this rail is missing on the passanger side.
Have any of you retards even heard of a structural safety ? A special safety required for when a vehicle has had a Frame Removed and Replaced, Cut and Patched etc etc…
If you take a car to a mechanic which has had the frame work on (and you can noticeable see that the Rails were cut off and then welded back on) that mechanic would not even considering giving the vehicle a safety check until it has been took to a collision center and has been put onto a frame machine to ensure that the Vehicle still has proper Structural Integrity and is not just going to split into half.
If anyone is stupid enough to just put their car onto blocks or stands and then say okay! Off with the front rails you must be smoking crack!
Okay… take into consideration that even if a Rail has rotted out and the owner has a stiff suspenion. Since its a uni-body as you’ve pointed out the Frame Rails are actually attached to the Floor Pan making up the Structure of the vehicle. I dont care if there is a hole in the rail or if a section of rail has rotted away, as long as its still there and the floor pan itself has not been removed with it, then its still strong. However, if you just cut out the Rails (which would require you to cut into the Floor Pan) you have instantly weakend the Structure of your vehicle and cannot just take a few measurements and say OKAY! shes good to go…
If you could (or if it was acceptable) collision centers would not have Frame Machines and would just do it all by eye and with a quick measurement.
has it ever crossed your minds (not applesauce) that possibly somebody will use a section of this frame rail to PATCH a peice of rotted rail on their frame?
and actually jedi car fan,
if you were to actually look at a S13 frame rail you would notice it is spot welded to the floor so all you have to do is drill out the spot welds…not cut out the entire floor.
Yep, just drill out the spot welds and then cut. Do not cut into the floor!
S13GG, you saw my car on the highway, it looked “stockish” but what you don’t know is that I’ve already done 1/2 of my frame job as mentioned by alesserfate and DTS without a frame machine.
My car was on a hoist, I used a jack and metal bar to support the front side of the car which had part of the frame removed then welded the replacement patch in place.
alesserfate, you can send people my way if they want to see a car with this type of work done. I will also get my pics and post them in this thread.
yes I have seen a frame machine in action, one of my best friends owns one.
no I haven’t seen the bottom of a RHD S13 in such detail as to notice
by all means, I did say that is why “people use patches” rather than replace rails
and for the purpose of patches this would be perfect as you wouldn’t need to fiddle around cutting the parts to the perfect shape.
FYI more often than not, when I read your posts you don’t know what your talking about – OMG WTF MY SR>>>>ETC
good luck with your next oil change, righty tighty, lefty loosey :lol:
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yes I have seen a frame machine in action, one of my best friends owns one.
no I haven’t seen the bottom of a RHD S13 in such detail as to notice
by all means, I did say that is why “people use patches” rather than replace rails
and for the purpose of patches this would be perfect as you wouldn’t need to fiddle around cutting the parts to the perfect shape.
FYI more often than not, when I read your posts you don’t know what your talking about – OMG WTF MY SR>>>>ETC
good luck with your next oil change, righty tighty, lefty loosey :lol:[/quote]
lol dude, relax, are you psised that you are wrong, accept it and forget it, so waht that u dont have to cut the frame out with the floor and just spotweld it on, dude, its a unibody fucking popcan car, if u just torch (not cut, notice that i say “not cut”) the rail part off (one at a time) and just the corner piece, and spotweld the replacement to the same spot while your car is supported properly, nothing will happen, so relax man, or hey maybe you cant cause your too jelaous that the SR my mommy payed for didnt seize twice cause I had the wrong filter twice, so i got lucky with that, so what, at least my social life isnt based on my ‘correct’ opinions on son240, dude go get a life and peace out cause im about to go out and have fun while you can spend the rest of your day trying to prove me wrong, i dont care =) byes, oh and ps, no my mom didnt pay for it, i just said it to piss you off
grow up and go ask a colision shop how it needs to be properly done.
Anyone can cut there rail out and weld a new one in. It’s not the proper way and it wont pass a through saftey…if one exists anymore…and judging by the sorry s13’s i’ve seen on the road lately i doubt they actually exist anymore
ergo the frame machine = proper support
I’m not upset, just convinced your a stuborn ignorant moron
I cut out a 6 inch long section of frame rail…and the floor above it.
Boxed around the opening and over exsiting frame rail with rails I fabricated myself. Fabricated new section of floor and welded it in.
To date, my car seems to be straight.
I didn’t use a frame machine. I braced the car with bars taced in.
Further. When I do frame work I don’t cut out large peices. If the rust isn’t bad, I cover it with por-15 and box around the section or I take away small peices at a time and redo only that. Bit by bit.
Andrew.
LMAO, do you even know what a Spot Welder looks like ? because it would be pretty friggin hard to use a Spot Welder to re-attach the new piece but you seem to know it all so I guess you must be right… :roll:
can someone patvh my DS rail n trunk up please? pm me
I probably shouldnt get involved but you dont need a spot welder to do a spot weld, but yes using a spot welder would be tricky and besides i find they suck ass compared to stick, tig, or mig welding.
ergo the frame machine = proper support
I’m not upset, just convinced your a stuborn ignorant moron[/quote]
ok buddy, looking at your avatar its kind of hard to take you seriously, stop being such a hater and go get a life, i cant belive your coming back to this thead to argue, for the last few posts i’ve just been having fun pissing you off haha
your calling him an ignorant moron? I’ve seen you post a large amount of wrong information on this forum, that it leads me to belive the pot is calling the kettle black here.
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your calling him an ignorant moron? I’ve seen you post a large amount of wrong information on this forum, that it leads me to belive the pot is calling the kettle black here.[/quote]
find one and call me on it, more often than not you will find that my language indicates (if I’m not certain) and educated guess.
I like being corrected, its how people learn, drop soem knowledge son. 
Lets stop flaming, and begin with the dropping of knowledge.
I may be new to the 240 world since i couldnt afford one of these cars at 16 its not like my parents hand me money like alot of ppl do, but i do have alot of car knowledge and have been welding and machining since 15 so yea maybe i do know something about welding you think, especialy since ive worked at ttc so dont judge a book by its cover but yes we should do less flaming and actualy write more usefull knowledge to help others.