john, i wasnt refering to you, weve been buds since i moved here, and your car gets out, most cars are cookie cutter after a certain point, and thats why i said it, i was pointing out a pointless term. it all makes me laugh and want to fuel the fire when people call out cars instead of owners. thats the point of 99% of my posts to enrage the community and maybe hope that by some grace of god people actually get the dry sarcastic humor in it all. not one person cant say they dont like a 115-120 trap car, me included. i just love fueling shit and busting balls. hope that clears up alooooot of shit for people lol