I don’t know if this should go in OT or here, but I chose here. It relates somewhat to autos.
Anyway, from the way the DMV is written you are NOT able to pull a 10001lb GVW trailer if your tow vehicle exceeds 26000lb GCVW.
However you ARE able to pull a trailer exceeding 10000lbs IF your tow vehicle has a GCVW of less than 26000.
Weird.
So what I’m looking for, is a truck preferrably made before 04-05 or so… Or generally a blue book of less than 15k.
Truck has to be able to tow a TAG ALONG trailer (NOT 5th wheel) that weighs 14k lbs.
So that means if the GCVW of the truck is 25k, the truck can’t weigh more than 11k loaded.
This is kind of like an automotive easter egg hunt. Diesels are obviously preferred… I don’t know if gas 1 tons can even hit 26k.
I know I could just buy a truck and throw the trailer on it, but I want to make it legal. I don’t want any problems.
I know it makes a difference here a little bit as far as weight goes… But the final truck I’d purchase would be ext cab/crew cab with 8’ bed. SRW/DRW doesn’t matter to me… I’d prefer SRW, but if it can’t hold the weight, then it is what it is.
F-350 SD in the 2000 range usually fit the bill, but their max towing is around 12-13k for a CC/long bed truck.
Usually the GCVW on a 1 ton is about 16k… But the max towing is ~13k? Sometimes this doesn’t make sense
Finding GCVW for trucks is a PITA.
Something like a C4500/5500 fits the bill… but not as a practical as a one ton.
Non of this makes any sense at all. As long as the truck is rated for the trailer being on the axle and for towing the load it shouldn’t make any difference.
All of my vehicle transport guys use 1 tons and tow whatever they want with no issues. A gas will tow that weight if its a 8 or10 cylinder but you will be wasting gas like a boss. My dad tows his boat 15k unloaded with his gas v10 no problem.
I have a Crew cab 6 foot box 3/4 ton diesel… Tow rating is 12,500 and my truck doesnt way anything close to 11k. I have towed over 20k with it multiple times. with no issues. I actually manage a tow company and i have never heard of any of this shit before.
My buddy has a 1 ton and i think his tow rating is a little higher with similar weight.
You need a CDL to drive a commercial motor vehicle (CMV), which is defined as:
A single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more
A trailer with a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds if the gross combination weight rating is 26,001 pounds or more
A vehicle designed to transport 16 or more occupants, including the driver, or a vehicle defined as a bus
Any vehicle that requires hazardous materials placards</i>
GCVW Is the gross amount the Truck + trailer can weigh.
A 1 ton typically is about 16000 LBS. That means LEGALLY the weight of the truck + trailer can not exceed 16000lbs.
Some newer 2012 1 ton diesels with tow package are upwards of 25k.
I’m in no way saying a truck can’t pull the load. Stopping is harder than starting, but with trailer brakes on all axles it’s not so bad. But a constant 14k load on a truck not meant for it will tear that thing up. I don’t doubt a half ton can pull 14k. Might not be able to stop it down a big hill though… :o
So if you pull 20k LB trailer on a 3/4 truck, you are in for a world of fucking if an officer stops you.
Here’s a rough example from another place.
You’d end up paying fines for overloading a vehicle and since you’d be over the 26k limit you’ll also get a $5k fine for driving a CMV without a CDL. (20k lb trailer, 6-7k lb truck)
“If you drive a CMV without a commercial license, you could go to jail or incur a court fine of $5,000.” New York Commercial Driver's License FAQ | DMV.ORG
Unless you have a CDL A, then the only thing you have to worry about is not exceeding your weight ratings on the truck/trailer.
You will have a GVWR for each vehicle, Truck & Trailer
You will have a GCVW (Gross Combined Vehicle Weight) for the Combination of the two. (Truck & Trailer)
Manufacture specification detail a number for both ratings. When police check your rig they look at both.
Your truck may be under it’s GVWR but over on it’s GCVW. Or you may be under on the GCVW but over your GVWR
Examples of this are:
Say you truck is rated at 10,000 GVWR, Empty it weighs 7000lbs. Meaning you can put 3000lbs of cargo in the truck and still be within it’s rating.
Your truck may have a 23,500 GCVW Meaning that the combination of the truck and trailer can not exceed 23,500
If you trailer weighs 16,000 Truck weighs 7,000 your total = 23,000 or 500 lbs Less than your max GCVW
But lets say your trailer has a 3500 pin weight. This puts the weight on your truck axles (or it’s GVWR) at 10,500 which is over it’s rating. So you would be legal for your GCVW but illegal for your GVWR.
You will need to be aware of both numbers when you pull through a scale.
I didn’t say weigh, i said gcvw. Where’d you grab the info from?
Thanks, it depends on what it’s rated for a tag along. 5th wheel ratings are usually higher.
you also have to add your weight, passengers, and whatever else you’re carrying to the GVW + GCWR… But I doubt that would all weigh more than 1k or so.
Got it, only 12,500 on a SRW but 15k on a DRW.
'06 SDs usually are more than $15k though
Hopefully there’s plenty of ratings out for earlier ones… hmm.
