but that wouldent have prevented why my motors broke, i am tellen u.
i think the reason my first one went was because i detionated or however u spell it for a few days due to bad spark plug wires (and my stupid exaust)
and my second one went from reving the motor to 7500 on stock rod bolts,
there has been like 8 differnt motors in my car, and i know its driver related! if i had ur car i would break it, i break everything it just works out like that
drive it till it breaks, they way it was supposed to be done
How is hondata really gonna tune it SAFER than crome pro? Im not talking about other features, because ive never really compared the two but i know crome pro has alot so, hondata prolly doesnt have much on them in that dept. anywho.
Im just curious really what is it that hondata has that makes it any safer? The downfall i see w/ hondata you gotta either spend a Shitload of money to DIY or take it to someone, just so happens that if you know a hondata tuner your ok but thats a small percentage of population. Everyone else would be getting charged several hundred just in tuning. Where w/ crome you can do a “SAFE” tune (since this is what we are talking about) Yourself for $40 (for willem chip burner)
But really is there any kinda extra safety that hondata can offer you? W/ crome you do the usually timing/fuel maps/target a:f/ etc.
By the time u spend money on a p28 and all the options for hondata couldnt you just get an AEM EMS?
Im not trying to be argumentative im not really sure on the hondata pricing and options etc.
I know we got k-pro and it is $1,000 but its the best k-series stuff out.
kinda of a late response but, I made 207whp and 205 ft lbs. Not too bad for 7psi. It was good enough for a 13.92 @ 102 the other night so I’m happy for now. The dyno day was definatley an excellent idea.
why would you spend thousands and thousands of dollars in turbo setups, engine building, stand alones and the whole lot and then try to skimp out on a courple hundred measly bucks to have it tuned right? Why even fuck around with a “$40 DIY Safe tune”?
thank you
I didnt start that talk about safe tune, if your read i said, “Safe” tune because they were talking about how one setup will blow shit up more than the other and thats not really true.
Also that argument doesnt apply because fmf spent a couple thousand on his entire setup. He did not spend “thousands and thousands”
But i fail to see how hondata that much better than crome. I am not defending crome, i am looking for answers, thats all.
Crome is alot better than it once was. It SEEMS to me that crome pro is about equivalent to hondata, except like i already said… u can do it yourself.
Now i may be misinformed on something here but no one is straightening me out. I never claimed that either was better or worse. I just stated some of the pros and cons. The reason i dont like hondata is because from my understanding of the whole thing you need a hondata liscensed tuner to do the shit. Is that right or wrong???
And AEM EMS is on a whole nother level and tossing hondata in w/ that crowd is just wrong IMHO.
$800 for the car
$600 for the first swap
$1100 entire turbo “kit” or wahtever
$6 for the chip in my ecu (reburnable)
$250 bfg 225’s
$2756 invested, granted i dident add alot of stupd shit and “Freebes”
I ant skured to blow shit up!!
This thread has taken an interesting turn. Just for the record, I’ve tuned all-motor hondas (one mine) and one turbo honda (fmfkid’s) with a total hardware investment of around $300-400 total which is approxiamately the cost of one hondata set-up. The two all-motor cars have gone into the 12’s (12.44 and 12.6x) and the turbo into the 11’s (11.87). I run ITB’s on my hatch, which hondata last I checked lacks the tuning features to properly be able to tune. The beauty of crome over hondata is no interface box is needed so any investment made to have it tuned could go totally toward tuning time costs. Crome is also expandable via custom made programs that can be added to crome. The drawback to crome is that it does still have a few bugs, but most of them stem from the huge amount of different tuning hardware (emulators, burners, and widebands) that can be used to interface with crome.
hondata is updating currently and will have the S300 out soon. no more chips or garbage and for 545 bucks you can’t beat it.
cost spent goes hand in hand w/ reliability…
when i ran sds, which was cheap as fuck, i had efi on my motors, and ran the piss out of them w/o a care. why? i had minimal investment in the efi, and the motor was only 125 bucks if i blew it up. Needless to say, i coudl play around w/o fear of fucking shit up, because i didnt care. I know i reved out to 8k against some of u to win, even though the motor couldnt go that high and we both heard it screachng like a banshee that high… i also fucked w/ ignition timing, running retard down low to spool turbo, and advanced liek a mofo on top w/ retard… or high af readings or egt temps-- so i experimented on my motors to find what it liekd, and didnt care if it poped.
now w/ my new motor, i got way to much money invested to fuck around. hence the updgrade in efi systems. that couple hundred more i spent on my efi is my “safety net” for the motor i got 3k plus into. even then, my motor is only as safe as i build it and tune it.
so in fmf kids defense, who gives a fuck what he uses b/c he is doing it more or less junk yard style way-- i.e. nothing crazy built-- just built to run.
yet im sure if he had a motor w/ a sizeable investment wraped in it, like sam’s, then maybe he too would be running hondata. so i dont blame sam for being pro hondata, as eventually you will probably want to run it, may as well drop the extra coin now if u have it and get it.
either way, cant really compare the two in my eyes b/c they are different breeds. fmf’s is all out speed dont give a fuck if shit rattles or blows (how i was), and sam is speed but at a safe margin/dependability (how i will be to an extent-- i want to be a foot away from blowing up rather than the inch i was at before)
very good post sailor. I just talked to AF-performance. the S300 will be compatable for any hondata socketed ECU for 500bucks
that pretty much sums up my thoughts on this whole little hondata Vs. crome issue.
i have the software needed to tune hondata. for a customer car, i’m going to stick with hondata. it’s faster for me to tune, easier for me to tune. the reason i don’t use crome is because getting it to have real time tuning and datalogging is a pain in the ass for me to get it working. regardless, i’m not going to knock crome, it’s a hell of a system for free, i think with a little more time it will surpass what hondata has.
as long as people call me to so all the socketing i dont care if is hondata , chrome , gold, flat black, or crap i will soldier that shit in
thats about what i said before, it all depends what you want. If you wanna take your car to someone to tune it, then u can use hondata.
IF you want to do it all yourself, crome is your option. Crome pro isnt really buggy and yeah u gotta do a little work to get the datalogging and shit working. But… if i can do it then anyone who can read can do it.