talking sports with cutty is pure torture…very opinionated…but to each their own.
All I am saying is Duece is a bad mo-fo when healthy…can be argued a premier back…when I think of premier back I think of a player where any team would love to have him. The top tier of their position. I see you point that he may not be considered one…you could argue is is but you can he isnt…but if he isnt considered a “premier” back then you have to realize he is damn near being considered one. But for you to say he is slow only good b/c of the system is retarded…it has been reported that he runs sub 4.4 or low 4.4 40 times…now that isnt the fastest but far from slow. My point is if duece is on his game he is in the top percent of backs in the NFL and the best on the Steelers roster.
you only think my opinion is retarded because you mind is set on what you think about me. everytime i talk sports i use real information to back up my statements and all i ever hear " is errrr cutty is retarded" If deuce was such a stud why would would philly part ways with him for westbrook thats who i don’t even think is a “premier back”. you don’t give up ur stud unless you have another Ie: the colts gave up faulk to get edge. if duece was running a 4.4 40yrd hw would be like one of the fastest. a fast reciever runs a 4.1-4.3 I can’t see that being true. but regardless what he runs he doesn’t show that speed in a game, where it counts. Have you seen duece lately, i have, he had to have put on like 40 lbs of fat in his stomach. for someone that has been hurt you think he’d want to get in shape like ohhhhh say right about now!
the numbers speak for themself…AVERAGE!
RUSHING
Year Team G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD
1997 Philadelphia Eagles 16 0 7 29 4.1 12 0 0 2
1998 Philadelphia Eagles 16 13 258 1065 4.1 64 5 6 53
1999 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 325 1273 3.9 29 4 7 50
2000 Philadelphia Eagles 5 5 79 344 4.4 60 1 2 14
2001 Philadelphia Eagles 13 10 166 604 3.6 44 2 2 29
2002 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 269 1029 3.8 57 5 4 56
2003 Philadelphia Eagles 16 4 96 463 4.8 22 5 1 22
2004 Pittsburgh Steelers 10 10 192 830 4.3 38 1 3 38
2005 Pittsburgh Steelers 5 1 38 148 3.9 17 1 0 9
TOTAL 113 75 1430 5785 4.0 64 24 25 273
now look at a premier player like terrell davis was:
Yes I have seen hime lately he looked in shape to me. He is a awsome all around back, has some speed (I dont care what you say), has decent moves, moves the ball effictively. Thanks for posting those stats they help prove my point. I argue when he is HEALTHY he is awsome…to look at a stat to take that into consideration is his avg yards per carry…which is 4.0. Compared to TD’s 4.6…I would say an avg of 4 yards per carry is pretty damn good.:owned:
BTW if eveyone hates talking sports it may say something…nobody is always right…there are a lot of opinnioons involved try to realize it…you dont know everything and everything you say is always right…especially if everyone argues against you might say something
4.6 numerically isn’t alot more than 4.0 but in football thats like a ton. My point was showing you the difference between a premier player and duece. duece is a good RB not great and not a top RB. when u get in the upper eshelon of NFL RB’s you are talkin about guys that are gettin 1000 + per year in which they play 16 games. 1000 is where it starts. duece is just on the cusp of that. lets face it durabilty matters big time so lets stop sayin IF. he hasn;t been and theres no reason to believe this doesn;t keep happening. Duribility is the only reason bettis is top 5 rushing all time. talent wise he’s top 20 but not top 5.
I see what you are saying and I totaly agree with most of. Durability is HUGE for running backs. That is why I labled theis thread IF… B/c if Deuce was “durable” then his stats would be so much better. Trust me I personally think we would be better off with someone else b/c of that. But if he could put together a solid few years where he stays healthy then I would say his production would be awsome…in the top 10 in the league. I am no idiot when it comes to realizing ag yardage, 4.6 is better than 4.0. I do think TD is a better back skill wise and durable wise that Staley. But my point is to say a running back that averages 4 yards per carry isnt awsome is retarded…4.0 yards per carry is considered to be pretty damn solid #'s for running backs. I think you don’t give the BUS enough credit though…considering his size and how agile he was/is it takes some skill for that. He was able find holes, time when he hits them, run people over…just lacked in the breakaway ability and the shiftyness.
i think he does get enough credit. think of all the awesome running backs that played in the NFL. Top 20 is pretty damn good. but he’s not top 10. best big back ever plain and simple is earl campbell. better than bus you got:
OJ
Tony D
Sweetness
gayle sayers
jim brown
barry sanders
earl cambell
marcus allen
eric dickerson
bo jackson (yeah i said bo jackson, he was fuckin awesome when he played)
larry czonka
emmit smith
then there is a list of guys that are still playin that i think belong in there. bus and curtis martin were like the hank arron’s. very consistant over many years.