to all of you guys that have had problems with working on cars and throwing money away think about it like this. newman, i remember you had like 3 shitboxes way back when u used to ride up and quality and then you got that maxima i think it was? that was a real nice car. then i dunno what u did after that i dont remember. my point is that without thos years of going through cars you would possibly not be in the same position your in now car wise. its time and effort and money as a whole and altho yes, you may lose some money its the experience you obtained with what you had. we all started with shit and worked out way up. i personaly lost a great deal of money on a few cars that i dont ever think about anymore, but the knowledge i got from my time spent with the losing money, at shops dumping my wallets contents on a desk, laying on my driveway working on my talon, at a diesel pump thinking this is fucking awsome standing next to a bmw, joining this forum the day i got my talon and feeling like i was apart of something, however small it may have been. thats what it really all comes down to. i’v learned so much from failure in the last few years that i know ill remember for the rest of my life and its made me become a bit more savy when it comes to life, not just car buying/modding. so again, I say this guys got a saturn that HE likes, HE wants to work on and HE doesnt mind spending the time and money on it. and if its only a car to buzz around in who the fuck cares.