CCNA is such a joke. So many people have them but can’t do basic functions. They just love the passing test ability.
Be interested to see if it will just be like Yahoo where they add 10-20 general operators or if they employ some high level people here.
Crosspoint was just wired up with fiber and Buffalo has a major connection into the core internet downtown which a lot of people don’t realize.
I mean the same can be said for a lot of degrees too…Ok, you passed the test and read the books. No real world experience? Who cares then.
It’s better than not having it and a lot of places look for it.
What I hate are places that require a certain level degree. I only have an associates but I have 5 years experience. If I hate a Bachelor’s degree in pottery, I’d have a better time getting a job.
That is becoming less and less common and they will let you substitute experience for a degree
Then they use the “We could pay you more if you had a Bachelor’s degree”. So I could literally have a degree in something unrelated and make more money? How would that degree help?
Degree shows you know how to learn something. At least theoretically. Usually you’re never doing the same exact thing job to job anyway unless you’re not growing, when I hire someone I look for people who have a good knowledge base but more importantly, know how to learn new things quickly and effectively. Degree with a high GPA is usually a good indicator.
In that instance maybe…But if I’m hiring somebody, I’d probably want experience. On some of the cert tests they tell you to do TASK A one way, but in real life you’d never do TASK A that way.
Having a degree :lol:
I’m actually just biased because I came out of school with an MBA (>3.9 GPA) and only internships for experience, and I got stonewalled so many places for not having experience, where they would pick some analyst for the job that had 5 years of experience, which really meant that they sat there and did the same thing every day for 5 years. I finally found a boss that hired me in at a managerial level because he valued the same things as I do and I killed it in that position. But I try to hire these types of people if I can, also doesn’t hurt that in this market there’s a big surplus of them.
Any external hire is basically not going to know shit about the way you do things to start anyway.
Ha this is so true, I have my MBA as well yet have a crap entry level job at Citi bank; only one in my department with above a bachelors and almost the lowest in terms of rank/pay.
The experience part is a killer unless you know somebody
Gah, Citi. When I was fresh out of school they wanted me to manage a team of 10 people for like 35k. I literally laughed at HR when they made the offer. Started in the 60s at HSBC.
Maybe manage 10 people at burger king for 35k
Yea the pay here is laughable. I worked as a temp during grad school at the HSBC mortgage center in depew for a while, so much better
I think it depends on what you want to do. Most companies will hire techs and basic IT people without it but if you want to move to something higher up, they typically require a bachelors of some sort.
Also, there is high paying jobs in Buffalo but you need to get the right field.
Network engineers are a dime a dozen all with the same certs. They are not specialized so you are hard pressed to find a high paying job here.
Security jobs are good but you need experience and some type of further learning since there is a high remote worker possiblity.
Help desk just sucks so that doesn’t pay a lot.
IT management is where the money is. MIS is one of the highest paying degrees of 2013 and still on the list of 2014.
Computer science is also good. There is a ton of coders and script kiddies but core understanding of the OS and really building scientific applications is in demand esp for specialized fields to build use specific applications.
Oh, you want to replace keyboards and mice and can’t find a six figure job? Oh you can configure a VLAN on Cisco and getting paid 30k a year? Shocking.
When can the general public start getting cheap hydro power too?
I’d love to find a job replacing keyboards and mice for 6 figures…just saying.
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Certs + Relevant experience are the combo to have.
I have worked with a number of fortune 100/500 companies over the past few years of consulting
There are lots of people out there making really good money in network, systems, dba engineering positions without college degrees and im specifically leaving out infosec because that’s an entirely separate beast.
You can pretty easily make 75k+ in the Buffalo area without a degree if you know your shit with network/sys admin shit at this point assuming you have 5 or so years of experience.
It’s kind of a worthless debate however because what works for one person with a lot drive doesn’t work for someone else who is lazy and not willing to change jobs and put in the time.
I am not sure where you get your information from but there are just more than general operators at Yahoo. There are SRE/SME positions that support Yahoo’s backbone, internal tools, and yahoo services (mail, messenger, mobile, etc). Those positions aren’t usually public because Yahoo tries to promote within. In most cases, people that take a step back and join the operation center and understands how yahoo works and operates within a year. After that year, that “so person” who took a step back has the ability to further their career within Yahoo.
Not saying that I don’t agree with you but Yahoo won’t look at an external candidate unless they have a BA.
Your post is really relevant. It seems like the Tech industries have periods of time where this field of IT is in most demand. I have been trying to follow that trend, started off with programing, went into security, and I am now in Business Continuity Planning/Disaster Recovery which I believe is the next big thing industries are looking into.