NEED HELP: Re-building an "older" computer

Hi guys,

I need your help to get this done quickly. My boss told me to re-build his problematic system. I am not really up-to-date with new PC technologies.

Current settings (2004 Built):

  • Asus P5GD2 Deluxe with 3.2 GHz P4
  • 1GB DDR2 533 (2x512MB)
  • ASUS EAX300LE RADEON X300 128MB 16x PCI-EXPRESS (1.0?)
  • 2x IDE Hard Drives
  • 2x IDE Optical Drives
  • PCI Sound Card (Audigy)

So, it appears that the problem is located around the Motherboard and processor. Even without any other components (HDD, etc), most of the time it fails during BIOS boot process. However, when we passed the BIOS, everything seems to be fine. It’s stable inside the OS (Vista 32bit).

We’re planning to buy a new motherboard and try to move the components there…

What kind of configuration you guys would suggest? I am thinking of getting him a Core 2 Duo configuration.

Known issues:

  • DDR2 533 RAM won’t work with newer MoBo -> Goner, need new ones.
  • 1.0 16x PCI-Express -> Will it work with 2.0 16x PCI-Express MoBo?
  • Trying to fit those 4 IDE devices on the new MoBo

Please help…

memory you can get cheap… 4gb for under 100.00 (ddr2 800)

PCI-E 1.0 is 100% compatible with PCI-E2.0, no worries.

The IDE thing may be your biggest problem, since most mobo’s are geared towards SATA these days. If that’s an issue, you can use IDE to SATA adapters to correct it. Either that or use the IDE channels for the HDD’s and buy some new optical drives (they’re pretty cheap anyway)

what is the computer used for? I would think that a C2D setup would work very well for most applications

e8400 processor is very nice. :slight_smile: The more cache the better. Think of that when looking at the Core2Duo differences in pricing.

memory is cheap :slight_smile: if he’s not overclocking just go for 2X1GB or 2X2GB. Buy the cheapest (DDR2 800)

did you run Memtest on the current setup to see if the memory is at fault? Perhaps that has been the issue all along. Run memtest on each memory chip individually :slight_smile:

Update:
I re-flashed the BIOS, cleared CMOS…same problem still occurs…

Thanks for your replies…

I think C2D will be sufficient for him. He’s using it just for home/personal PC. Perhaps watching movies, burning some DVDs, downloading from you-know-where, etc.

I did MemTest using Suse LiveCD tool. The tests were succesful. I even switched the memory with another memory from different system. Same problems occured.

He gave me around < $400 budget. Can you guys give me some specific models? I am pretty outdated…Picking these devices from NewEgg really gave me some headache.

-MoBo --> Something that still supports IDE?
-CPU --> C2D
-Memory --> 2GB should be ok, i think.

Should we re-use his PCI SB Audigy? Or just use the new on-board sound?

Thanks for your replies…

I think C2D will be sufficient for him. He’s using it just for home/personal PC. Perhaps watching movies, burning some DVDs, downloading from you-know-where, etc.

I did MemTest using Suse LiveCD tool. The tests were succesful. I even switched the memory with another memory from different system. Same problems occured.

He gave me around < $400 budget. Can you guys give me some specific models? I am pretty outdated…Picking these devices from NewEgg really gave me some headache.

-MoBo --> Something that still supports IDE?
-CPU --> C2D
-Memory --> 2GB should be ok, i think.

Should we re-use his PCI SB Audigy? Or just use the new on-board sound?

here ya go

processor - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115052
Mobo (includes 6 ch audio) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186146
Ram - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098

I’d honestly just use onboard sound. The newer stuff is actually pretty impressive IMO

oh, and depending on the PSU, you may need a new one too. You’ll have to see whats in there

^Thanks!!

I was actually looking at this setup:

RAM:
Patriot Viper 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1200 (PC2 9600)
Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory

Mobo+Proc (Combo):
ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard

Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3.16GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor

Joined together…they reached $400, LOL. OK, maybe this is too much.

Anyway, we have 450W 24 pins PSU, is it good enough for the new setup?

that works too.

as long as the mobo works with the psu, you’re good. When I built my new machine, the old psu wouldn’t work with it so figured I’d just give the heads up

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b118/zen_master2/Setup.jpg

What do you guys think about this setup?

Notice the PCI-IDE card, I’ll need this for the two Optical Drives (DVD Burner DL)

looks good :tup: you can get better cpu/mobo deals but all in all, it’s still a deal

thanks!!

One more thing, I read the MoBo manual and it says about the 8-pin EATX12V power plug. The PSU that we have right now only have 4-pin ATX12V. Is this OK?

I understand that the 20-pin power plug should work with the 24-pin EATXPWR connector in MoBo.

The PSU is Antec 450W. We are only going to power up that older graphic card, 2 HDD, 2 Optical drives and the stuffs that I am going to purchase. Is this OK?

I am really outdated…

you don’t have 2 of those on the power supply? I believe this was my problem as well, so just upgraded to a PSU that had 2 plugs (2x4 pins to make an 8 pin) [EDIT: my mistake, it has an 8 pin and a 4 pin]

now, when I read about this problem initially, some people had mentioned an adapter of some sort that you could use to make an older one work, but it was on backorder at the time and just said “fuck it” and got a new one.

the power output on the other hand shouldn’t be a problem at all. Shit, it’ll probably be using less power than the P4 was, all else being equal

^Sooo…we have to supply power to all those 8-pin?

The manual says:

• Make sure to remove the cap on the EATX12V connector before connecting
an 8-pin EPS +12V power plug.
• Use only an 8-pin EPS +12V power plug for the EATX12V connector.

So, I guess we have to use 8-pin?

Another thing, I could not find PSU with 8-pin. All of them are 20+4.

Can you give me the link for that 8-pin CPU Power PSU you got?

Thanks!

here is my PSU^. It’s got the 4 pin ATX and the 8 pin EPS (plus the 20pin+4pin) and 4 12v rails

it should be all that you need, although it might be a little overkill. It’s a nice unit though, no regrets

^Thanks alot, man!

no problem. Good luck with it :tup:

I decided to go with Rosewill Stallion Series RD600N-2DB-SL-BK 600W.

It has 20+4 for Main, 8-Pin for CPU and 2 rails. I think it should be good enough.

Wow. I learned a lot today.

good deal :tup: I’ve heard people put rosewill down as a reputable company (for PSU’s at least) but I think you’ll be very impressed with the quality of the unit.

enjoy