My car doesn’t know how to look emo.
Excellent! Many pre winter drift battle modifications!
Approved. Great stance.
That’s a clean goat. :tspry:
Dude, Thats a beautiful car.
Looks good, hows the rear camber with it like that?
Considering all he did was drop it 20mm… it probably changed next to nothing considering he didn’t do anything to change the stock camber curve.
Well, considering GTOs suffer from a IRS problem many 80s sports cars do (Semi-Trailing Arms), negative camber when lowering is a major issue. Lowering ~20mm can show a noticeable change.
Nice!!
Just finished pairing my stock-height Lovells with Konis this month. Haven’t taken a pic of it now that it’s settled in. Wonder how it really compares.
Did you replace the front upper strut mount bushings? Mine were total crap.
If not, I’ve got a set of new Pedders bushings and bearings you can have for cheap.
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Actually, with the trailing-arm setup on the GTO, I don’t think a 20-mm drop did much in terms of camber. Heck, I had that with stock spring sag, and my tire wear is even.
Even at full-droop, there isn’t too much camber change noticeable here:
My rear camber is at -1.5. Not great, but I’ve been told with these stiff springs I won’t get the tire wear from it like I did with the sagging stock springs. The tire wear happens on acceleration with the stock failing springs because the car really squats and you get huge negative camber. I’ll be watching how the tires wear and if it’s an issue I’ll be tossing in the Lovells camber kit (eccentric bushings) to address it in the spring.
As for the strut mounts, I did the Lovells poly ones not long after getting the car. When I took them out to swap the springs they looked just like new. Those rubber Pedders ones aren’t going to last much longer than the stockers so I highly recommend going the Lovells poly route instead.
Good to know, 'cause I put in the Lovells one this month.
You wouldn’t see it with the car on jack stands…
-1.5 is kinda eh, some negative camber is beneficial for handling but thats a little too much IMO. Are there any options to allow you to adjust it?
Yeah, -1.5 is a little too much for my liking. I’m going to pick up the lovells rear camber kit and toss it in this spring. People have had really bad luck with the Pedders one constantly coming loose but the people that went with the Lovells one say they haven’t had any issue. I’m not worried about it for now since I’ll be putting my snows on any day now, after which “handling” is nothing but a dream for spring.
“We” (Z31 crowd) basically just weld another piece to the trailing arm mounts to increase its thickness, then drill it out and slot the hole so it can be slide to adjust camber…
This has me lol’ing on so many levels.
Explain? I’ll admit my ignorance when it come to understand rear camber. I just know that at -1.5 to -2.0 the GTO forum guys say you’re getting into tire wear issue territory.
Umm… the jack stands are on the frame, not the control arm. That was so the springs and shocks could be installed - if there was weight on the suspension, I couldn’t have done it. In the pic the suspension is at full-droop, and therefore at one of the camber limits of the suspension.
You need to be concerned about negative camber when weight it on it after lowering it, lowering springs don’t affect the camber at all with the wheels off the ground…shorter struts/shocks might, but the springs don’t…and if anything, shorter struts/shocks will put it closer to 0 degrees, not further from it as lowering the car does.
So like I said, that picture is useless for knowing how much negative camber you got by lowering the car.
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You are right, -1.5-2 degrees is excessive for normal people (excludes the morons who think tons of camber is awesome), hes a moron who doesn’t understand semi-trailing arms clearly.
Has semi-trailing arms…also had 1.5" degrees of camber correction in the rear, and the car can go lower…its still like -4 degrees camber. If he raises it ~1", it has about 1 degree of camber.
Semi-Trailing arms…they suck for camber change when lowering, theres no question about that. If you don’t get it, then just GTFO.
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~-1.5 degrees is about the most I’d want it to be, more positive would be more beneficial for off the line traction when accelerating, though.
Yep, you got me. After owning 4 e46’s, 6 e30’s, a 2002, and a 240z, I know nothing about semi trailing arms suspensions.
Oh wait… it’s the usual shit drivel from the Z31hotboi.
“On topic” note… Jay, my comment has more to do with fucksticks generic “OMG ALL SEMI TRAILING ARM SUSPENSIONS HAVE IDENTICAL CAMBER CURVES, 1.5 DEGREES ZOMG11!11!!”. 1.5 degrees isn’t a metric fuckton of camber, however it depends on your specific setup. To make an accurate judgement you need to look at camber curve, travel, tire compound, spring rate, desired use, and a ton of other shit. You can run 2+ and have pretty nominal tire wear compared to stock if you aren’t doing burnouts or sliding the car everywhere with excessive wheel spin. At the end of the day it comes down to “What feels right” to you, play with some different settings or keep it where it is if you enjoy the way it drives. I personally like a car with a bit more rear camber, but I also tend to like a car that rotates a bit more and takes a harder bite in corner. So I tend to run a bit more camber and a bit more toe in (yeah, dirt track toe in!) so the car rotates, takes a set, and then bites forward while on throttle… granted that’s also a great way to eat tires, which is down to the toe more than anything.
Point being, blanket statements from someone who’s car is a 25 year old piece of shit are about the last thing I’d take as solid judgement.
If you truly knew anything, you’d know 240Z’s arent semi-trailing arms. Your entire argument goes out the window with that.
And thanks for calling my car a POS, even though it likely is in better shape than whatever you own.
But you know, myself having done a lot with other non-Z31 cars with semi-trailing arms, like E30s, FCs, Porsche 924s/944s…I think I know a good bit about semi-trailing arms too. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SUFFERS FROM EXCESSIVE NEGATIVE CAMBER WHEN LOWERED. It comes with the design of the Semi-Trailing arms, it doesn’t matter if its a fucking Geo with them or a Porsche with them, its the same shit…emphasis on the “shit”.
Actually they don’t all suffer from it, thanks for pointing out 944’s though, forgot about the 4 of those I owned too, Which like most cars listed don’t have issues when dealing with a paltry 20mm drop.
Don’t worry, it’s ok you’re mad. I would be too if I had one of the ugliest cars ever designed.
Worst problem here though? You using the words “I think”