Why would I wanna support a US owned company who builds a good percentage of their cars in Mexico and Canada to obtain maximum profit and thousands of Americans are losing their jobs? Last time I heard GM was in debt 300 billion so they are going to try their best to build cars as cheap as possible.
How about American Axle losing the camaro contract to a mexican plant. Thats like a slap in the face to those guys. Thankfully Toyota and a few other manufacturers offered them a few contracts.
I just dont get it why you would support a US owned company when they are costing Americans jobs when an overseas company is bringing jobs to Americans.
GM is still No1 in the states by far. Toyota was celebrating their victory over Ford for the No2 position. I remember reading the atricles and seeing it on the news a few months ago.
No1 - GM
No2- Toyota
No3- Ford
Why read teh above post, I think i made it pretty clear. And redrum, morons like are part of the problem with the US.
sentence structure :tup:
Toyota provides relatively few jobs in the US, at less than half the wages of their GM counterparts, and all the profits go right back to japan. Buying a Toyota built in America still does nowhere near as much to help domestic industry as buying a Chevy made here.
Thats all you got huh? What you seem to not understand is forums are mostly about opinions. Try having respect for opinions that differ from yours becasue they are just like assholes, every one has one and they all stink.
Oh so the unions that keep screaming “give us more! give us more! or will will strike and shut everything down!” arent hurting things? Why the hell do you think they are outsourcing? Unions are costing more americans to lose their jobs then anything.
Thanks for the tip about forums. My opinion is that you are an idiot.
Perhaps we should still be enemies with Japan, Germany, France, Britain, the south, and everyone else we’ve ever fought a war with.
that fine, but you have an insane amount of growing up to do.
I have a lot of growing up to do because I think your close-minded views on the world are ridiculous?
you have a lot of growing up to do becaue you have no respect for other people’s opinions.
I have very much respect for other people’s opinions. However in this case I felt rather strongly about yours. I know many Japanese people (who live in Japan, not just by birth) and they are just like you or I. I dont hold them against Pearl Harbor, and they don’t hold me against the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. People who weren’t even alive for an event in the past can’t be held accountable for something their ancestors did. The world’s history is filled with violence, cruelty, and immorality; if everyone eschewed a country because of its past, nobody would associate with anyone.
On a similar note but not to go way off subject,I’ll still get in arguements about slavery and that they feel They are owed something.My response is that slavery was wrong but you nor I was anywhere even closely involved.They will usually come back with the old" if you were black you would feel different"
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Hating the government is a whole heck of a lot different than hating the people.
Sooo, we nuked TWO CIVILIAN cities, they conventionally bombed a military installation… Granted it ended the war, but don’t try to paint such a pretty picture when it was ugly either way.
Uhm, and you’re own country put it’s own citizens in prison camps simply because of their heritage during the war, no matter how devout citizens they were.
Ugly shit happens on both sides of the fences. Don’t sit their blindfolded trying to say you’re own country never did anything wrong in the world, when bad shit has gone down.
And the half pay arguement is null and void. Toyota is paying their employees what they DESERVE to be payed as per their qualifications.
i used to think that unions were a bad thing… then you start to realise why unions first existed and the forces that unions prevent. If not for unions the wage and employment strucuture in the US would be very much like asia (and i dont mean the $2 an hour thing) that has yet to unionize. Unions derived out of the ideal that the people who build the products should earn a greater share of the profit or even own the company. just because unions got carried away and ended up pricing their own labour out of the market does not mean they are a bad idea.
True enough that Toyota doesnt pay as much as GM or FORD but that is irrelevant because every single one of the high-paying, unionized jobs at the Big 3 US companies is becoming scarcer by the day. Pretty soon that will be like saying the DODO was the best bird in the world and all other birds suck… who cares, there are no more dodo’s.
The fact that Toyota pays slightly less is also not relevant to this arguement really because they still pay more than most jobs do and are still improving the North American job market and for that we should all be happy nad respectful.
some American profits stay in the US but they dont benefit you do they… heck ass no they dont, they stay in the pockets of the illuminati and you’ll never see a penny anyways.
the most interesting thing about the global automotive market is what is going ot happen in China over the next 30 years.
China’s automotive industry is going to develop 5 times faster than the American one and the big 3 know it. right now there are like 30+ small chinese manufacturers of automobiles and you can expect consolidation in their markets 5 times faster than it happened here as well.
you can also expect GM to already own some of them and to quickly be trying to become a leader in what will be a very profitable market over the next 2 decades and so you can expect much of their profits stateside to go into funding their operations in China and their chinese manufcaturing plants over there that will no doubt be making the parts that end up going into all their world-cars.
nothing is as cut and dry as internet-opinions would have you think.
your right a publicly owned corporation gives profit to the Japan.
Do you know how many Americans own toyotya stocks?
Do you know how many japanese people own GM Stock??
Please tell me again how the profits go to Japan…
Wages, sorry but over paying non-skilled labor hurts the company in the end
what are you talking about?
first of all, the wages, are right up there with gm wages and better then fords. take it from someone that works for toyota. they pay VERY well.
toyota may not employ as many ppl as other companies because they are still covering ground in the states. if you haven’t noticed, toyota plants are going up left and right. One just opened in texas, and another is opening in woodstock ontario (about 20 miles from the huge cambridge plant) and they are still growing and continuing to make jobs for north americans. when a toyota plant comes to the states, it doesn’t just mean that 3000 people get jobs at the plant. it’s those people plus all the supporting business in the area that will help keep that plant running. like train systems and transportation, part suppliers will be needed, and people will be needed to meet there demands as well.
so if you think there here to help the mother land japan thats great, but those plants are a blessing to the communities they are built in. and help the american industry.
and bing - x2 to the second half of your post. but why does everyone think toyota doesn’t pay? how much do GM plantworkers make here? i thought it was high 20’s?
you are forgetting the fact that US auto makers have a shit ton of retired employees that are sucking up a shit ton of money. So they need to compensate one way or the other.
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You must hold on tight to your RCA TV, or buy Korean. But we did bomb the crap out of NK to protect SK. :3 Even though SK makes almost all the computing/technology hardware today
US Car companies are shooting themselves in the foot. Unions were great 50 years ago, but many other companies are successfull without them. I think Unions are great for businesses who’s workers educated themselves for a job but are not compensated based on pay/benefits of other areas (like teachers). However, for jobs based on minimal education positions, Unions are noose for a market. They cut into profits of a business to provide a management service. They add a layer of control and try to act as a buffer between the workers and the companies.
If you want to talk about socialism as a stagnant factor, preventing your purchase of a foreign car, then think of how it differs from a Union? Hmm?
Anyways, keep buying what ever you want. There are some great domestic cars, but I can always think of better foreign cars.
Personally, as a Japanese-American, I think Hyundai are making better cars these days, for the price, than Japanese, European, and American.