The more I think about this the more I lean towards pulling the 198 out completely. I think doing so would make Delaware park really great. It would be lousy for travel, but riding a bicycle through there would be pretty sweet. However if they’re just going to leave the existing road there with barriers and a 30 mph speed limit, you’re getting zero bang for your buck.
Let’s start digging. Tunnel would be sweet.
I agree with you 100%, but that’s because I don’t have to travel it frequently or live down there. I basically give zero fucks about it, other than the fact that park is awesome and I think people should be allowed to use it the way it is inteded to be used without being inconvenienced by pricks doing 60 mph because they’re destination is more important than everyone else around them.
I’m fine with lowering the speed limit because I’m looking at the park functionality and quality of life. Others are looking at the traffic jams and different routes that will be used because of the bottleneck that the 30 mph will cause.
I ran around the park yesterday. A few observations
The accident/memorial site made me sad 
There was a ton of people gathered there.
The barriers look like hell
I can’t believe I never really gave notice to how friggin close traffic is at two sections of the loop.
There were drawings some time ago(1-2 years ago on buffalo rising) of converting the 198 to a parkway with a bunch of trees and jazz like that. I thought it looked much nicer.
Maybe when they’re done converting this to a parkway they will do the same with Maple Rd like they have been talking about?
:tinfoihat: They used this to get the 30mph limit they already wanted?
https://www.dot.ny.gov/portal/page/portal/content/delivery/region5/projects/547022-home/547022-repository/03%20Scajaquada%20Plan%20Rendering.pdf
https://www.dot.ny.gov/scajaquadacorridor
Someone Google around. I knew this was a real thing. There is an artvoice article proposing 198 going to 30mph in 2012 it looks like but my work comp wont let me go to artvoice lol
Re-joining Delaware park with the pond and casino would be great. You could take all that growth along Elmwood and make it easily walkable/bikeable right to the zoo, and join it with the growth along Hertel.
The question is how bad does it hurt those same neighborhoods when all the traffic gets dispersed onto Parkside, Main, Delaware, Elmwood and Hertel. Just look at google maps to see how stupid yet important the 198 is.
Agreed. Perfect example is that just due to additional traffic I suppose from growth I started taking main st in the mornings. I am sure I will soon see much more traffic on Main during my commute.
I can honestly say I almost never travel on the 198 west bound past parkside UNLESS I am headed all the way to the 190.
Hurt? you think increased traffic on commercial streets is going to hurt the neighborhood?
Elmwood Village is wall to wall cars and we all know how much that place is suffering.
He was talking about dumping traffic off the 198 onto Parkside and other side street that already have speed/traffic issues where people actually cross the street/park/or areas with kids.
Obviously more traffic is good for streets that have stores/shops but if they’re not designed with the correct capacity people start using side streets to cut across areas.
you mean streets with traffic lights and crosswalks? and all the side streets have a stop sign every block. Not exactly going to be a huge danger there.
Because there is no correlation between additional traffic and a higher rate of traffic accidents involving pedestrians…
It’s fairly common to have neighborhoods upset when they become a cut thru this happens near places that install walmarts or other big box stores…It often gets resolved with additional stop signs being installed to discourage drivers from using those routes in neighborhoods.
This is why there are traffic studies
http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/parkside-residents-get-update-on-traffic-study-20141113
http://wivb.com/2014/11/12/study-reveals-strategies-to-keep-parkside-neighbors-safe/
^ Can’t wait to see the reaction to this slowdown of the 198 they’ve been celebrating once they start noticing how much more traffic has shifted to Parkside and Main. It would be 10x worse if you close the 198 entirely though. At least the Zoo’s new entrance isn’t facing Parkside anymore, but you still have to cross Parkside to get to it if you’re trying to walk there from the neighborhood.
Traffic lights, crosswalks and speed bumps will be installed along the Scajaquada Expressway/Route 198 in the next few months, with the ultimate goal of turning its full length into a parkway apparently
This is the city, not sweet home or maple rd. Literally every intersection of every side street has a stop sign already…
Crossing at an intersection with a crosswalk and pedestrian operated traffic signal is not a problem. It’s already like that, are you inferring that playing frogger in traffic is the current method? crossing parkside will be literally EXACTLY the same as it is now. Even bumper to bumper traffic wont change that.
As for main street, it could use as much traffic as possible. We’re starting to see new investments just south of the 198 around west ferry and more traffic would be welcome.
So there are 0 accidents involving pedestrians because there are stop signs and increasing traffic wouldn’t cause any change to that number…
Got it :tup:
Never claimed that was the case.
So you lack the ability to comprehend what you read and present a logical argument related to said text.
Got it :tup:
You quoted a large block of text and only spoke to a few words :tup:
You quoted a small block of unrelated text and invented “my opinion” of a portion of your argument :tup:
Stop being fggts. This thread already sucks enough dick