How far left is Obama (aka Senator Stealth)?..
http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=OWI5NjYwZjg3NzU4MjZkZWI0ZWI5MzEwNzYxNmI4ZGQ=
I am posting this for people that are undecided.
NRO HAHHAHAHHA please
You probably think the people that didn’t evacuate for the latest hurricane were smart too right? Ignoring mountains of evidence then getting lucky it was wrong does not prove good judgement; it proves dumb luck.
No It doesn’t, how can you make that comparison? He looked at the evidence and said it wasn’t conclusive to go to war and guess what he was right. Even I was for the war in the beginning. Now I feel like an idiot for arguing with people at home, work and here on this website in support of the war. But at least I’m man enough and smart enough to admit when I was wrong.
watch that video and enjoy, why are these things not all over the news
There is a huge difference between looking at the evidence today and saying going to war was wrong, when much of the evidence has been proven wrong and saying it was wrong at the time of the vote. At the time of the vote, with the evidence they had, Iraq was a serious threat. Regardless of how you feel now unless you has a crystal ball then voting against the war then raises serious questions with me about your judgment to use force when it is absolutely necessary.
Knowing what I know today I would not have supported going into Iraq, but I don’t think I made the wrong choice to support it at the time. I regret the we didn’t have the intel we needed at the time.
That does not mean that Obama was lucky to be right. Who knows what data congress was given, or how many congressman and senators agreed to the war even though they may have thought it was wrong. Public opinion was for the war and Obama said that the “evidence” was not conclusive. There was no smoking gun and thats what he wanted before he would support the decision.
Obama does not have the luck of hindsight but the wisdom of foresight. He was right from the beginning.
^ Agree to disagree.
Woh woh woh lol…I wouldn’t go THAT far. He opposed going to war. Ok, no problems there. He stuck with his decision. Good for him, its good to stick with what you say if you are very adamant about your point of view. But I would not say he has some kind of grand wisdom because he is one of the many people that did not support going to war. Wisdom comes with experience. He just happened to make the right call at that time and lucked out.
Side note: Actually things are going pretty good in Iraq right now from what I hear. :gotme:. They are handing over control back to the Iraqi people. :tup:.
Don’t take what I said too far, a definition of wisdom is to act on knowledge and the truth. You and JayS keep saying he was lucky like he caught his magic river card or something. He was acting out of what he saw and his beliefs. Don’t belittle that.
I think we all are forgetting a major point here. Obama didn’t vote for OR AGAINST the war because in 2002 when the vote was taken he wasn’t a senator. All his talk about how he, “definitely wouldn’t have” is pointless because he wasn’t even at the various classified meetings where the case was made to go to war.
what various classified meetings? The senate and congressional briefings are always on c-span. Only 4 times in history have the briefings been made secret, and one of them just happened a few months back. That was now realized to be about the housing bill.
you guys actually think they didnt have the intell at the beginning… fuck… clueless.
Like JayS already seaid…he didn’t even vote on the matter so it is a mute point. Agree to disagree I suppose. No snese in arguing this any further. So what is obama’s environmental stance? What does he plan on doing to keep the national parks going? what is his domestic policy?
Environmentally speaking I know he wants to push for better fuel economy, more money into wind, solar, tide and I even heard nuclear power. He is against drilling off shore and in ANWAR. I wouldn’t be surprised if he worked on an international treaty aka Kyoto type.
Domestically…thats a pretty big topic. On education there is going to be a reworking of NCLB which was a disaster from the get go. A protection of Roe V Wade by appointing judges who wont threaten it. A reworking of the tax plan by eliminating the Bush tax cuts and loopholes. Tax credits to companies that employ in America and non tax breaks to those that outsource. There is a lot more just be more specific.
As far as national parks well other than ANWAR it has not really come up but because he is against drilling in ANWAR I cold only assume he is for preserving them. But I think McCain is also against drilling in ANWAR so I don’t believe that there is a major difference between them.
PS: as far as Obama not voting he voiced disapproval for the war from the get go. I used to have a link to it but I can’t find it now. And that was even during the whole “Mission Accomplished” era.
Wow, biggest convention bump in history. From 7 points down to 4 points up. Go Palin:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iYJ_wRzQIBB8nJuXZDb0EBQvLJMA
New USA Today/Gallup poll shows McCain 4 points ahead of Obama, 50 to 46.
Maybe you should read what he said it was a almost perfect prediction of what actually happened.
Good old unbiased CNN. McCain takes an 11 point jump in the polls and it doesn’t even make the main page, but Colbert’s DNA being sent into space is main page worthy.
At least Fox News mentioned it on the main page.
Well if you guys believe a stance is not important if you do not vote on it
Then Sarah Palin is speaking out of her ass on every topic she brings up that is a national/global issue.
Try again, this time in English.