OFFICIAL: 2008 ELECTION THREAD

If you believe that a stance on an issue is only relevant for those who got to vote on it, then Palin is speaking out of her ass on everything short of Ted Stevens’ pork barrel spending, abstinence-only sex education that is clearly effective, supporting a windfall profits tax, and moose hunting.

Sorry I was rushing around trying to get stuff done before I have to leave but still felt it required a response. It sucks that instead of actually stating a response to it in your defense you elected to make fun of my grammar. To me this just shows that I was right and I ruined the basis of your argument and you had to resort to a personal attack… O wait you are a republican

No, I honestly wasn’t sure what you were trying to say.

I’m not saying you have to get a senate vote on a subject to have an opinion on it, but I’m tired of hearing team Obama claim he didn’t vote for the war. I bet if you asked 100 people on the street if Obama voted against the war resolution 80+% of them would say yes.

People’s assumptions on actions are a double edged sword, ask 100 people on the street if Obama’s a muslim and 25 will say yes

I know he didn’t vote for it, but his stance on it and his predictions of the result still matter.

Probably because polls don’t mean that much. And I know people will say, your an Obama supporter of course you would say that but I said this back when Obama was up.

There are too many reasons to have this race be close commercially speaking and there is still the factor of the non-landlined supporters.

Lets just agree that the only poll that should matter is the exit poll come November.

Polls didn’t matter in July. Now that it’s September they’re starting to be important. Sure, they will never represent the result on election day, but they do show trends. As a McCain supporter this is the first time in a long time that the trends have made me smile.

I can’t believe that 10% of our country is really that wishy washy, so I take these tracking polls with a grain of salt either way. There is no way that McCain’s wishy-washy convention speech brought in 30 million new voters, no matter how much the right liked hers. The daily one, especially, is much more “Who had the last major event” than who people will actually end up voting for.

It looks like its going to be a pretty close race. People are going to owe me a bunch of $$$ lol

and they thought they had this in the bag :stuck_out_tongue:

I want to know the odds that place that lets you bet on anything is putting on Biden having a “mystery illness” and Obama dumping him for another running mate.

so what are your electoral college predictions?
I say Obama 306, McCain 232.
Obama carries the Kerry states + CO IA NM OH VA.

I would laugh my ass off, but I wouldn’t blame him either (not that biden is bad for him, but someone else could probably make it a sure thing)

No predictions here, just hoping McCain wins. :slight_smile:

We can start talking key states around Halloween. :wink:

boringgggggggggggggggg

I’d cry, because if he dumped Biden it would certainly be to pick up Hillary and I think at this point Obama/Hillary would be a lock for the Democrats.

oh for sure… Palin pretty much secured McCain the “mom” sector among others.

lol that’s going to be a pretty awkward conversation

“so… uhhhh… joe, remember when you said that you were nervous about being VP? we’ll… I have some good news and some bad news for you”

33-1 odds that Biden will be dropped, if you’re the betting type. :wink:

http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_type&category=SPECIALS&disp_cat_id=31&ev_class_id=33&ev_type_id=5142&ev_oc_grp_ids=86460&bir_index=

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080908/ap_on_el_pr/bridge_to_nowhere_fact_check
Thought this was interesting.

WASHINGTON - A new ad from John McCain’s presidential campaign contends his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, “stopped the Bridge to Nowhere.” In fact, Palin was for the infamous bridge before she was against it

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THE SPIN: Called “Original Mavericks,” the ad asserts the Republican senator has fought pork-barrel spending, the drug industry and fellow Republicans, reforming Washington in the process, and credits Palin with similarly changing Alaska by taking on the oil industry, challenging her own party and ditching the bridge project that became a national symbol of wasteful spending.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton came back with fighting words. “Despite being discredited over and over again by numerous news organizations, the McCain campaign continues to repeat the lie that Sarah Palin stopped the Bridge to Nowhere,” he said.

Burton said McCain would merely carry on supporting President Bush’s economic, health, education, energy and foreign policies, and that means “anything but change.”

THE FACTS: Palin did abandon plans to build the nearly $400 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport. But she made her decision after the project had become an embarrassment to the state, after federal dollars for the project were pulled back and diverted to other uses in Alaska, and after she had appeared to support the bridge during her campaign for governor.

McCain and Palin together have told a broader story about the bridge that is misleading. She is portrayed as a crusader for the thrifty use of tax dollars who turned down an offer from Washington to build an expensive bridge of little value to the state.

“I told the Congress ‘thanks but no thanks’ for that Bridge to Nowhere,” she said in her convention speech last week.

That’s not what she told Alaskans when she announced a year ago that she was ordering state transportation officials to ditch the project. Her explanation then was that it would be fruitless to try to persuade Congress to come up with the money.

“It’s clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island,” Palin said then.

Palin indicated during her 2006 campaign for governor that she supported the bridge, but was wishy-washy about it. She told local officials that money appropriated for the bridge “should remain available for a link, an access process as we continue to evaluate the scope and just how best to just get this done.”

She vowed to defend Southeast Alaska “when proposals are on the table like the bridge and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that’s so negative” — something that McCain was busy doing at the time, as a fierce critic of the bridge.

Even so, she called the bridge design “grandiose” during her campaign and said something more modest might be appropriate.

Palin’s reputation for standing up to entrenched interests in Alaska is genuine. Her self-description as a leader who “championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress” is harder to square with the facts.

The governor has cut back on pork-barrel project requests, but in her two years in office, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. And as mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million.

Then he could be one of the Clinton’s 50 or so associates that died an untimely/mysterious death.
That would be the ultimate sacrifice for his party.
He does seem like the martyr(sp) type though.:biglaugh:

Great example of our unbiased media:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080909/ap_en_ot/tv_dueling_obama_1

NEW YORK - Barack Obama competed against himself Monday with interviews airing simultaneously on two different networks. They might as well have been two different galaxies.

The Democrat waded into cable TV’s blood feud, between Keith Olbermann of MSNBC and Bill O’Reilly of Fox News Channel, becoming as much a bit player as any even-odds presidential candidate can be.

In one interview Obama had to fight — not always successfully — to keep from being shouted down. In the other he couldn’t succeed in keeping a straight face at the ease of the softballs tossed at him.

We’ll leave you to guess which is which.

Obama sat down with O’Reilly first last week. The Fox News Channel host aired a portion of the interview last Thursday, and it became the second-highest rated episode of “The O’Reilly Factor” ever. He’ll spread the interview out over two more nights this week.

O’Reilly came after the senator for an income tax plan that Obama said would lower tax rates for 95 percent of Americans while increasing rates for the richest citizens to Clinton administration levels.

The Fox host complained that Obama wanted “50 percent of my success.” They fought briefly over numbers, and Obama said to O’Reilly, “you can afford that.” O’Reilly said Obama’s plans would promote class warfare. He called him “Robin Hood Obama” and said his tax plan was a “socialist tenet.”

“If I’m sitting pretty and you’ve got a waitress who is making minimum wage plus tips, and I can afford it and she can’t, what’s the big deal for me to say I’m going to pay a little more?” Obama said. “That’s neighborliness.”

O’Reilly said he and others he knew would be be making less stock transfers if the Obama tax plan went through. “It’s going to come back and haunt you, senator,” O’Reilly said.

It was a much different atmosphere at the MSNBC studio in Rockefeller Center. Olbermann interviewed Obama campaign on Monday and will run it in two parts with the second one on Tuesday.

He criticized a McCain television ad that characterized him and Palin as mavericks who can get things done.

What, he asked Obama, could he do to prevent people from lying about his record? “Why do people hesitate to use the word `lie’ about these things?”

Olbermann drew the smile from Obama when he asked whether the candidate should use more “exclamation points” in its statements. “Have you thought of getting angrier?” he asked.

He praised Obama for his use of the word “enough” in his convention acceptance speech and wondered why the Republicans, in his words, were having success muddying the waters of the campaign.

“The Republicans cannot always govern, but they run very smart campaigns,” Obama said.

O’Reilly said he had frequently interrupted Obama because he didn’t want to let him wander. Olbermann let him wander, lapse into stump speeches, and ducked when Olbermann asked him the most direct question, about whether he believed Sarah Palin had enough experience to be president.

“I’ll let Gov. Palin answer that,” Obama said with a smile. “I’m sure she’ll be appearing on your show.”

So glad Olbermann got fired. Why do giant wuss journalists like him stick around and great ones like Russert die?

Great example of our unbiased media:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080909/ap_en_ot/tv_dueling_obama_1

NEW YORK - Barack Obama competed against himself Monday with interviews airing simultaneously on two different networks. They might as well have been two different galaxies.

The Democrat waded into cable TV’s blood feud, between Keith Olbermann of MSNBC and Bill O’Reilly of Fox News Channel, becoming as much a bit player as any even-odds presidential candidate can be.

In one interview Obama had to fight — not always successfully — to keep from being shouted down. In the other he couldn’t succeed in keeping a straight face at the ease of the softballs tossed at him.

We’ll leave you to guess which is which.

Obama sat down with O’Reilly first last week. The Fox News Channel host aired a portion of the interview last Thursday, and it became the second-highest rated episode of “The O’Reilly Factor” ever. He’ll spread the interview out over two more nights this week.

O’Reilly came after the senator for an income tax plan that Obama said would lower tax rates for 95 percent of Americans while increasing rates for the richest citizens to Clinton administration levels.

The Fox host complained that Obama wanted “50 percent of my success.” They fought briefly over numbers, and Obama said to O’Reilly, “you can afford that.” O’Reilly said Obama’s plans would promote class warfare. He called him “Robin Hood Obama” and said his tax plan was a “socialist tenet.”

“If I’m sitting pretty and you’ve got a waitress who is making minimum wage plus tips, and I can afford it and she can’t, what’s the big deal for me to say I’m going to pay a little more?” Obama said. “That’s neighborliness.”

O’Reilly said he and others he knew would be be making less stock transfers if the Obama tax plan went through. “It’s going to come back and haunt you, senator,” O’Reilly said.

It was a much different atmosphere at the MSNBC studio in Rockefeller Center. Olbermann interviewed Obama campaign on Monday and will run it in two parts with the second one on Tuesday.

He criticized a McCain television ad that characterized him and Palin as mavericks who can get things done.

What, he asked Obama, could he do to prevent people from lying about his record? “Why do people hesitate to use the word `lie’ about these things?”

Olbermann drew the smile from Obama when he asked whether the candidate should use more “exclamation points” in its statements. “Have you thought of getting angrier?” he asked.

He praised Obama for his use of the word “enough” in his convention acceptance speech and wondered why the Republicans, in his words, were having success muddying the waters of the campaign.

“The Republicans cannot always govern, but they run very smart campaigns,” Obama said.

O’Reilly said he had frequently interrupted Obama because he didn’t want to let him wander. Olbermann let him wander, lapse into stump speeches, and ducked when Olbermann asked him the most direct question, about whether he believed Sarah Palin had enough experience to be president.

“I’ll let Gov. Palin answer that,” Obama said with a smile. “I’m sure she’ll be appearing on your show.”

So glad Olbermann got fired. Why do giant wuss journalists like him stick around and great ones like Russert die?