winnars.
too late.
GM doesn’t suck because of their cars, they suck because they don’t make money. They can build the nicest, most fuel efficient, most HP siq cars on the planet, but if they can’t figure out how to make money and get out of their 70+ billion dollar hole that they’ve been digging since 2004 it won’t matter what quality of materials they use for their interiors.
Right…So they have good MPG, they have great warrenties, there cheap and they sell alot of them…Ok, they fucking have to be to accommodate poor fuckin American consumers, and thats why they sell alot of them, everyone wants a new car, but know one has any money so they Buy a shitbox Chevy every 2 years, this is the only reason why they sell alot of them. if your trying to prove the point that GM accommodates the US consumer then sure I’d agree with you, but dont even for one second try to preach that there a quality product because of the reasons you stated. and IMO the average american consumer sucks, if people got there heads out of there ass for 2 min they’d realized that they could buy as BMW or a Honda or FUCKING anything else like that keep it longer, be happy with it, and still have some retail value left in the end, as apposed to buying shit box GM every 2 years, GM IS SHIT…period, it doesn’t matter how well the accommodate our consumer, there product is SHIT.
Edit: and as josh stated, if they sell so goddamn many of them how the hell are they alway broke, fail company
You are a retard.
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i think that just about sums it up.
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Tell you what I’ll give you $3000 for every 04 GP you or anyone else on this board can bring me that is not smashed or over 100K miles.Bring me 10 You get $30K.Either the person that MAY have traded in the car was high or drunk or the car was was smashed and had 200K on it.That is no where close to what the cars value is.
I bet for 3 50k mile 04 GP’s I could buy 97 911 instead of a 97 240sx
+1…but they also suck due to there cars
Why is that sir, I read your post and I agree with cheap purpose based transportation, if your gonna load your truck up with wood and shit fine, fuck, I do it I drive a fucking late 90’s Chrysler minivan, it was free, me and my dad always loaded it up with shit, its driven tons of miles and refuses to die, I have no gripes with that. they are cheap rugged transportation, but for the people that have a bit of money who buy a GM and try to say its quality and its a good car, fuck you, thats stupidity.
cheapest 04 GP sold for 5500 and had 80k.Looks like an 04 GP with 50k is worth about $7k and a 97 911 just sold on ebay for 22K no problems so a pretty close guess.
If your talking cobalts and entry level vehicles yea they suck… Butcan you honeslty tell me that the CADDY LINE SUCKS? OR HOW BOUT THE VETTE, OR WAIT HOW BOUT TRUCKS SILVERADO > ALL!!!
Plz tell me that was being sarcastic, Im not really sensing it though
I dont know why people are comparing baseline cars with luxury and antique cars… You cant compare a 1995 Saturn SL1 with a 1995 Porsche Cockster, or to a 240 with a b2309128 engine, its apples and bananas, plus, that value does NOT transfer to the dealership, no way.
I have been using a 94 Saturn as a loaner car while my Jetta is being fixed, and I can beat the hell out of it and it runs great, you pay what you get for, I think a 10,000 car in 1994 still running efficiently today, as well as getting 30mpg at WORST in the city, is getting more than your moneys worth.
yes, I suck at posting so flame me if you want, I don’t care, I’m not a computer guy.
I’m just getting sick and tired of people who drive 10 year old GM cars saying they are all pieces of shit. Come drive a new Chevy and then go drive a new Honda, it’s the same fucking thing. Caddy = BMW without the overpriced/overengineered bullshit etc.
People on here need to stop getting on the media driven bandwagon and make a decision for yourself without the outside influences. The only reason most people think American cars suck is because thats what the perception is, not reality. WAKE UP!!!
^^Thank you bigwoode
Agreed as I said, for low dollar transportation, hey why not, they do that well, but what gets me is when they try and make a 3 series fighter or a siqqq sports car something along those lines, they fuck fail so hard, you drive a CTS vs a 3 series I laugh now just thinking about how bad it is lol Cheap transport FTW, half assed luxo and sports car FTL
For the daily driver record, I have owned a 96 Mitsubishi Galant (105-131k, went through 3 transmissions, lemon, but autotragic did not help), 2003 Grand Am (45-60k, awesome), 2002 Ford Focus 5pd Wagon (101k-114k, awesome), 2003 Kia Rio Wagon (26-30k, fail from the beginning, couldnt get rid of that car quick enough), 2001 Jetta TDI (151k, awesome, little kinks are worth it)
Comparing my “loaded with options cars”, the Jetta and the Grand Am are the best of my bunch, but you get what you pay for.
Comparing my 2 baseline cars, the Focus and the Rio, both cheap to begin with, low options, the Focus shits on the Rio all day long
The Mitsu was my first car, did its job, but had problems every other month
I have, My opinion remains the same, Id kick myself for spending any money on some of the shit they try to pass off as a BMW or honda alliterative
so why is Chevrolet rated higher in problems per 100 vehicles a full 10 spots higher than BMW? Not to mention Buick, Pontiac, Chevy and Caddy are all ABOVE BMW in the ratings…
Because they get good MPG, they have awesome warranties, and our poor citizens can afford them. as far as the problems go well that sux, I’ll give it to ya there, but IMO there are ups and owns to buying a car, If I was buying a car Id take my chance with the BMW instead of having to sit in a cadillac every day. but they just have so far from a quality feels its ridiculous
CTS > than 3 series. You could argue that the CTS is a direct competitor to the 5 series at the 3 series cost. If it wasn’t for the media fed, closed minded perception of every “my new haircut” DB that needs to be seen in a BMW Caddy could sell the CTS at 5 series prices and make hella cash on every one.
The point is the american public is sooo fucking ignorant they buy any BS shoved down their throat by the marketing ads, be it about auto’s or politics (hence latest presidential polls, whole nother can of worms and i digress though).
People are too ignorant and lazy and just stoopind to go out and educate them selves about which is the better car, rather buy into the hype that the BMW is the shizznit cuz chicks dig me in one, so it must be better. example: yourself.