Sad day... unions killed the Twinkie

The attendance of the children is the major problem. Schools in the city have an 55% DAILY attendance rate. How are the teachers suppose to be held responsible for the students that rarely ever attend a five day week.

And teachers in the suburbs don’t have close to the same problems as teachers in the city. They typically get their raises, don’t have to worry about attendance problems, and have to worry about the benefits they do have being stripped from them.

Before you bring non union suburb teachers into the conversation make sure your talking apples to apples. Suburb teachers don’t get assaulted by their students. But you don’t hear about that in the news. A friend of mine taught in the city and loved his job. He ended up leaving because he was more like a bouncer in a nightclub than a teacher. And when two or more students are brawling in a hallway, it’s the teachers who are suppose to break it up. But at the same time aren’t suppose to touch the children. You think these kids are gonna stop because they are told to? And when force is used to break it up, parents are quick to try to sue the teachers, the city, or anyone they can. All of a sudden they care a lot. About a payday. These students aren’t kicked out of school, ever. They might be moved to another school, but that’s about it. Most of the time, not even.

So what good does the teachers union do?? They protect the teachers. From lawsuits, from losing benefits and fighting to keep the benefits they do have and to hopefully get the teachers raises that they deserve. Im sure you’d be pissed if you were stuck making the same amount that you did ten years ago in your line of work. But according to everyone that watches channel 2 or reads the Buffalo News, unions should be completely eradicated because, “unions are outdated and don’t serve a purpose.” Unions came about as a result of working conditions and unfair wages. Sounds to me these problems are still problems. Ones that a union can help with.

So if you are asking, what good has the teachers union done? Go ask a Buffalo Teacher. Not, "my friend that teaches in Clarence or Williamsville doesn’t have a union and they get by just fine. "

It is not the same thing.

And what I wrote about the union electricians working to restore power was to again show that no one commends these workers on what they are doing. Media just itches for any little thing to talk shit about the unions. Instead of saying what a good job these men and women are doing, they cry about one non union shop going home empty handed.

And with trade unions, the contractors pay their workers well. Usually more than what non union shops pay their employees. To make money and actually get contracts for jobs, they have to be able to make up the pay difference. How do they do this?? They get the jobs done faster with less man hours. So for anyone saying union guys don’t work hard, maybe manufacturing is different, but in the skilled trades, if you don’t work hard, your company isn’t making money, and you’ll be the first to be collecting unemployment.

You should really be asking why the non union guys can’t get it done as fast. Training might have a little something to do with it.

What good have unions done?

Everybody enjoy weekends? How about paid holidays??

You can thank unions for that.

Local trade unions donated workers time and materials to build new structures for Cradle Beach camp recently and help many other charities as well.

Local trade unions also supply the larger developers with an almost never ending supply of trained workers. If non union shops need workers, you know what they do? Hire whoever looks good. No training, no problem! If you can turn a screwdriver you can do electrical right? Yeah good luck with that! Enjoy your home or business that’ll be on fire soon because Turing a screwdriver is the only skill you need.

Trade unions just bring in more skilled workers from other locals.

Perfection cannot be improved upon. Are you openly standing “anti Twinkie”? Be careful.

btw Henry Ford created the 5 day work week in the 1920s

Lots of non union employees work hard and donate time along with resources to help others.

All of your comments relating to Buffalo public schools the schools have increasing asked for more money over the years and have not produced but hey teachers get cosmetic surgery and protection from being fired for sucking.

Some how do non union teachers manage to keep their jobs all over the country with out the union protecting them how does that work?

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Actually here

How have unions made the Buffalo public school district better(for the the students)?

I’m a member of NYSUT. I value the unions for protecting our wages and securing our jobs. I do, however, see the other side as well in that unsatifactory teachers abuse the union for sake of keeping their jobs.

Unions are great for good teachers.

Tenure is also something that is good/bad.

When things are really fucking broken and not getting better the system is flawed and needs a complete overhaul.

Look at the way GM was bleeding money because of unions and now they’re not.

I am a firm believer in paying teachers more

The whole cosmetic surgery debate it should have never been offered im sure this ended up because of some union negotiations lol

I’m a firm believer in paying teachers more too. I’m also a firm believer of getting rid of shitty teachers. The issue is that both are dependent on the union, so you’re kind of stuck.

lets be real for a moment… unions who screw management are equally as bad as management who screw employees. checks and balances are needed.

Agreed.

There are a bunch of states they don’t have unionized teachers and the teachers obviously get paid enough to stick around…

Exactly. And the more middle men we introduce the harder it is to create proper balance…and now there are less funds to work with. Unions are bilkers IMO.

Everyone is biased in regard to unions. Union members like them, non-union hate them. IMO, non-union envy the benefits of union membership but do not acknowledge it. Non-union tend to bash union. Food for thought.

Actually Henry Ford got his idea from the labor movement (early 1900’s) where unions were accommodating Jewish workers so they didn’t have to work on the Sabbath. That was the original 5 day work week. So despite the fact Ford hated the unions, he obviously respected some of their ideas.

I’m not saying that non union workers don’t work hard.

And yeah the schools ask for more money and cut teaching positions year after year resulting in higher class numbers and less one-on-one attention for the students. Again, why is this all the teachers fault?? They don’t cut their own positions. How do you really expect them to improve grades? Less teachers, more absentee students, less resources overall, gives you lousy numbers.

Why should the teachers lose any benefits if the city won’t negotiate a contract?? The city won’t even come to the table. Don’t be mad at the teachers for wanting to keep what they have. If they give it up, why would the city ever want to negotiate a new contract?? You want the teachers to improve the students but as teachers leave Buffalo, or retire, what is there to attract new teachers?? The possibility of never getting a raise?? Or how about a killer benefit package?? How do you improve students without teachers??

And many cities do not have unions but do have some form of teachers association which acts like a union to protect teachers. They are not formally recognized as unions but do act like one. CSEA is one that represents many teachers in “union free school districts” locally. It is also one of the largest nationally.

I’m non union and would prefer to keep it that way. There is no envy on my part, I can only speak for myself of course. If there are safety issues or hazardous job duties I can see some benefit to union protection. I do not agree with entitlement representation, that’s my root objection to unions. Having worked a decade in the private sector with no union and now 3+ years experience in a union environment I can speak to both sides of the fence. I must confess my union experience is that of the public sector though, not skilled trades. This is probably why I feel the way I do about hazardous jobs and safety representation. I did gain some insight into the airline unions through an ex, what a useless pile of shit they were.

I guess my thinking is always “eliminate the middle man”. Represent yourself and fellow workers, be your own union whenever possible…you’ll get to keep more of the money for yourself that way. :slight_smile:

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City teachers do have a shitty gig. They are expected to pick up the slack from piss poor parenting, not to mention deal with the surrounding sludge of crime those kids are often sucked into. We have the DOE, they are confiscating our tax dollars…for what exactly? Couldn’t the DOE be reformed to act as a broker between the worker and employer with the students best interest in mind? Isn’t that the point of government after all, to govern and facilitate balance? So we have the unions AND government AND bankers AND churches all with their hands out claiming to provide us an essential service. It’s time to cut them off from the tit wherever possible IMO.

Unions were designed for blue collar jobs to begin with im not sure how teaching got pushed in.

I haven’t had a positive union experience yet its always been the stumbling block in getting projects done on time.

Also unions would serve no purpose in my line of work.

I feel the same way about government employees if it makes you feel better my time spent working for the DoD as a contractor it was always a running joke that govies never got shit done…Once people are protected the majority of people don’t do shit.

Look at this thread the union demanded more money from a poorly run company because over history companies always give in to union demands and this time it epic back fired.

I’ll be the first to admit that unions really don’t belong in certain industries. Tops markets have a union. WTF do they need one for?? From what I’ve heard, that union just collects dues and does nothing for their employees. Most of their employees probably don’t care enough to want to change anything though. That’s their problem. The workers have to hold their union accountable.

Hostess has been sliding into bankruptcy for years. No concessions by their workers would of permanently saved them. Only bought them more time. Non union or union, it would of came down to the same outcome.

LOL. My 1st job was at Tops like 2 decades ago and I was always pissed to see that union due come out of my check. For fucking what…to ensure Tops continued to pay my minimum wage? The government already does that for us at a great expense…I didn’t need more leeching on my minimum wage check. I wonder how much money Tops union has confiscated over the years…gotta be a shit ton!

Anyone with kids…be sure to tell your kids the best & most secure careers will involve being the middle man, handling others money. Be an accountant, financial advisor, union rep or just work for the government. It’s easier & less messy when you want to steal from others and they just keep handing over their money to you willingly. LOL

Your right about the DOE. What a joke. Forget the cosmetic surgery thing, what about paying someone that was a failure (former superintendent Williams), proved to be a failure again and still gets paid for two more years for doing nothing. Thats a real good use of taxpayer dollars.The new super isn’t looking that much better.

Found this on the interweb this morning.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/18/twinkies-likely-to-survive-hostess-sale_n_2156415.html

Sucks for this guy: http://www.nyspeed.com/showthread.php?236258-TRUCKLOAD-OF-TWINKIES-1100-BOXES-OF-10-11-000-TWINKIES-LAST-PAYLOAD-LEFTON-EARTH