Shifty Chrysler Shifters Shifting Into Neutral. Killed Chekov.

Shifters in 2012-2014 Dodge Chargers and Chrysler 300s, and 2014-2015 Grand Cherokees. I posted about it in another thread:

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As for the Durango, make sure your wife reads this before driving it: NHTSA: People Can't Figure Out How to Shift Fiat Chryslers Into Park

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^^^ Actually that might not apply to the Durango, I thought they had the same shifter as the Cherokee.

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They’ve already killed the new Chekov… RIP:

“On Sunday, June 19 at 1:10 in the morning, a fatal traffic collision occurred. It was the result of the victim’s own car rolling backwards down his steep driveway, pinning him against a brick mailbox pillar and security fence. The victim was on his way to meet his friends for rehearsal. And when he didn’t show up, his friends went to his house, where they found him deceased by his car. It appeared he had momentarily exited his car leaving it in the driveway.”

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There is a software fix recall coming that adds an auto park feature so this doesn’t happen again, but anyone who’s driven one of these vehicles knows how terrible of a design the shifter is.

https://youtu.be/TpgyxHwV8Fo

^ It’s not that it’s complicated, it’s that for however many years we’ve been driving we’ve never had to hold a shift lever all the way forward when we wanted it to go in park. You shove it as far forward as it will go and immediately let go, and that’s park. I can definitely see how easy it would be to forget to hold the shifter forward long enough for it to select park instead of N or R when you were in a hurry and weren’t thinking about a muscle memory task you’ve doing a million times since you started driving.

It does blow. That kid always played innocent roles in movies so it makes this much sadder.

Remember when your parents used to “rock” the car from R to D to get unstuck in the snow? This system should be fun to try that.

I agree, but I’ve seen too many Jeeps go into reverse by accident.

BMW has a similar auto shifter but it’s WAY better. Note the unlock button and dedicated park button:

I had a BMW rental one time that had a weird shifter like that. It took a couple times to learn, maybe not a great idea for a rental. If you own one, you would think you would learn how to use it properly.

I’m sure the owners learn how to use it just fine and don’t have any issues when they consciously think about just needing to hold the shifter forward for a couple seconds to select park. It’s when you go to put it in park without thinking about it and just subconsciously throw the shifter all the way forward and immediately let go because that’s how you did it since you started driving automatics that it’s a problem.

I did that on my neighbors 300C this winter, it sucked

While I understand the shifter blows, how do you get killed by your own car? You’d have to be really f’in high or drunk to not notice your jeep rolling down a hill at you.

I can see it happening. My mother didn’t know she had a flat even though the digital dash display said she had low tire pressure and the tpms light was on.

I was seeing a chick that had one of these and I absolutely hated it. Along with the feature that would shut the engine off every time you stop. Nothing like waiting in traffic, on a hill, to make a left and you finally get a gap and you have to wait for the engine to start back up.

I don’t know about Jeep but I love the auto start / stop on my truck. No hesitation at all.

When did you buy a truck?

Yeah, yeah. That’s what I call it so I sound less snooty.

The family of late “Star Trek” actor Anton Yelchin has settled a wrongful death lawsuit with Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV over the rollaway crash of a Jeep Grand Cherokee that killed the up-and-coming actor almost two years ago.

Terms of the settlement, which was filed in Los Angeles Superior Court on Tuesday, were not disclosed.

At the time of Yelchin’s death, the roll away problem had been tied to at least 68 injuries, 266 crashes and 308 reports of property damage.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20180322/OEM11/180329844/startrek-actor-fatal-accident-settlement-fiat-chrysler

Bump. With EVs things are getting more interesting. I haven’t seen the crystal ball yet.

In case of paywall:


Carmakers Are Reinventing the Gear Shifter and Drivers Are Lost

From touch screens to crystal balls, designers are running with their newfound freedom to put the controls almost anywhere; ‘Whose idea was this?’

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Genesis has described its Crystal Sphere shifter a piece of automotive art.

Genesis has described its Crystal Sphere shifter a piece of automotive art. Photo: Roy Rochlin/Getty Images/Genesis House
Sean O’Malley has driven hundreds of cars during his nearly four-decade career as a vehicle tester. But one day a couple of years ago he found himself in the seat of a Hyundai at a loss over how to get the car to move.

O’Malley, senior test coordinator at the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, and his colleagues couldn’t find the gear shifter in the Ioniq 5 sport-utility vehicle. One of them finally spotted it tucked away behind the car’s steering wheel.

“It was definitely not obvious where it was,” O’Malley said.

Car shoppers, car renters and valets feel O’Malley’s pain. A proliferation of electronic controls have allowed car engineers to largely ditch the mechanical connections between the gear lever and the transmission. Disappearing are the familiar, bulky shifters typically mounted on the steering column or center console.

“Once you eliminate that mechanical linkage, then anything goes,” said Paul Snyder, a former Ford designer who’s now chair of the College for Creative Studies’ transportation design program.

The shifter in Hyundai’s Ioniq 5 SUV is tucked behind the steering wheel.
The shifter in Hyundai’s Ioniq 5 SUV is tucked behind the steering wheel. Photo: Anadolu Agency via Getty Images
Today, many cars come outfitted with small joystick shifters, dials, buttons and even touch screen gearshifts. The smaller, more-exotic designs free up interior space for phone chargers and cupholders. They also can flummox people when they get behind the wheel of a car they’ve never driven.

On a trip to California, Linda Hoff, 65, rented a Nissan Rogue SUV that had a joystick-like gear selector. Hoff frequently rents different car brands but nonetheless couldn’t figure out how to reverse the car out of its spot.

“I didn’t even know how to drive this damn car,” she said. “So I had to go back to the rental agency and say, ‘Is there a trick here?’” She was soon on her way after a tutorial.

The Michigan resident said she understands that automakers are trying to come up with creative designs to stand out. But she said the lack of standardization complicates things.

Newer models of the Nissan Rogue SUV have a joystick-like gear selector.
Newer models of the Nissan Rogue SUV have a joystick-like gear selector. Photo: Mark Phelan/Zuma Press
“When they’re all trying to do it and you’ve got to go out in the rental market, you’re just going nuts,” she said.

Will Clayton, a 33-year-old Greenville, S.C. resident who works in finance, frequently rents cars when he travels for work. On one such trip, he was put off by the gearshift in a Chrysler Pacifica minivan: a silver dial that he thought was placed way too close to the radio’s volume knob. He wondered whether any user had tried to turn down the volume only to end up going in reverse.

“I can’t think of any consumer push for a radical change in gear-shifters,” he said. “I’ve heard of reinventing the wheel. I have not heard of reinventing the shifter. Whose idea was this?”

Chrysler declined to comment.

Some carmakers are taking more liberties than others with the design freedoms that electronic shifters bring.

One driver worried people would mistake the shifter in the Chrysler Pacifica minivan for a volume knob.
One driver worried people would mistake the shifter in the Chrysler Pacifica minivan for a volume knob. Photo: Gado via Getty Images
Genesis, the luxury brand owned by South Korea’s Hyundai Motor, made what the company calls the Crystal Sphere for the GV60 electric sport-utility vehicle, which the company has described as a piece of automotive art. The glass ball sits in the center console and glows when the owner approaches the car—a bit like a fancy snow globe—rotating 180 degrees upside down when the vehicle is turned on to reveal a twist-knob shifter.

Genesis’s European division last year put out a nearly four-minute video explaining how the orb works.

In a statement, Genesis said the Crystal Sphere is to “enhance safety and to create an emotional connection with the driver” upon turning the vehicle on. The absence of engine noise from the EV makes it less intuitive to know when it is ready to drive, Genesis says.

One driver said they’d put a reminder on a Post-it note to run an errand and stuck it in the console, partly touching the Crystal Sphere.

“When I turned off the car, it grabbed the paper and pulled it inside,” they wrote in an online forum last summer. “Now when I turn on or off the car, I can hear the paper. Can’t really see it anymore.”

One of the trendier configurations today are buttons located under the vehicle’s infotainment system to select gears. The concept actually dates back decades, including when Ford in the 1950s touted its “Teletouch” button-selector on the steering wheel of the Edsel.

“It puts shifting where it belongs!” one Edsel ad said.

EV maker Tesla lets owners of some models shift into park or reverse on their vehicles’ touch screens, though a set of tiny buttons can still be used when activated.

Tesla lets owners of some models shift into park or reverse on the touch screen.
Tesla lets owners of some models shift into park or reverse on the touch screen. Photo: Jamie Kingham for The Wall Street Journal
Jeff Tropeano, a 43-year-old Colorado resident, said the touch screen shifter on his Model S Plaid took some getting used to, but now he rarely thinks about it. Tropeano’s wife doesn’t have as easy of a go on the rare occasion she uses the car.

“When she gets into my car she’s like, ‘I just don’t know what to do,’” he said.

Some innovations have presented safety risks. Nearly a decade ago, federal regulators declared that a Chrysler dial shifter linked to numerous rollaways and a fatality to be “not intuitive” and increased the potential for unintended gear selection.

More recently, Consumer Reports ran into trouble with a Rivian R1S electric SUV. While driving on a highway, one tester for the magazine attempted to turn off the vehicle’s adaptive cruise control in slow traffic, but her maneuver caused the SUV to shift into reverse. Rivian said it updated software to fix the problem.

Even if the ever-expanding universe of shifters is tripping up drivers, patience is the key, said O’Malley, the IIHS tester.

“It’s all about familiarity,” he said. “Once you know where something is in your car, it’s not that stupid anymore.”

https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/cars/autos-technology-gear-shifter-design-tesla-44d79694

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