So what's going to happen in Iran?

Are we about to witness the first youtube/facebook/twitter governmental coup?

I thought this was going to blow over but I’m not so sure after this:

Nothing like murdering a young innocent woman and then banning any type of memorial gathering to really quiet the protesters. :picard:

Suggestion to Khamenei… Look up the word martyr in the dictionary.

On a serious note, the impact social networking is having on this could truly be history making. Before governments like Iran with their state run media could easily control situations like this through censorship and spin. Now a young girl gets shot and 10 cell phones whip out to record and upload immediately, bypassing the very media they used to control.

IB4 “FOXNEWS”

I hope so. The ayatollah is a douche and so is Ahmedina…naga…naga…notgonnabepresidentanymore anyway.

You look at places like this and realize why people hate our way of life and how good we do have it here.

they are mad about the election

Unfortunately you have to go there because CNN is showing an almost “Iran approved” version of the uprising. Probably because their boy Obama hasn’t stepped in with anything more than, “the world is watching”.

When France is sending a more strongly worded message than you, it should probably tell you you’re being a giant pussy.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gw_EVucjrNbcarcdmw5TRNnKRmjw

CIA uses Twitter to over throw Iran government :snky:

Obama is letting them sort it out themselves. Hopefully they do. It’s not our fight.

Amen. Fix our country first before we can go and tell other people what is “right”. Lol

I’m not saying lets put troops on the ground, just say something more than, “the world is watching”. WTF is that? You talk about restoring the US image as a beacon of truth and freedom, go a world apology tour, then can’t even find the courage to condemn these actions?

we’re not a superpower anymore, haven’t been in a while now. I’m exiting this thread on page 1, btw.

I think if the leaders of this insurgency wanted our support, they would have asked for it. Meanwhile the current regime and the official media are constantly trying to sell the idea that the protests are being incited by Western powers.
If Obama came out directly and threw his support behind the reformers and their cause it would doom them, the regime would have all the excuse it needed to crack down brutally against “another American attempt to overthrow the Iranian government.” The general public in Iran does not like us, and it wouldn’t too hard to make them convinced the U.S. was really behind the protesters. Coming out and flat-out backing the protestors would hand the propaganda FGGTS in the current regime all the ammo they need.

EDIT: Here’s the full “world is watching” statement. Personally, I think it was sufficient.
“The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights.”

First off, they are asking for our help:
http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/22/iranian-protestor-plea/

Second, Iran is already saying this is a protest driven by Western meddling. The people of Iran see right through it and will continue to, especially with their new martyr.

Third, Moussavi ran pledging a better relationship with the US, his supporters are dying the streets for his message and to stand up against what is looking more and more like egregious voter fraud. These are not the US hating people who put Ahmadinejad into power.

Iran should just cut off internet access to the outside world and all would be well.

China did a pretty good job of it during the Olympics. Maybe give them a call and see who their IT guy is.

No to be that guy, but so?
Maybe I missed it, but what exactly do you expect the US to do? Not that I am taking JoeBama’s side in this thread, but I’m really curious as to what you expect?

That CNN site isn’t loading for me at work. I think anything with the word blogs in the URL is blocked.

How many times have we backed a movement in the Islamic world pledging better relations with us, only for them to turn on us as soon as they get power? Tons. Saddam Hussein ring a bell anyone?

Also, the fact is that we’re in no condition to intervene directly. We can either talk tough, condemn them, and then not back the insurgency up with troops; that will make us look like huge pussies and Obama like a blowhard, or we can root for one side, but maintain that it’s not our problem.

First, issue a real statement, something similar to what the French released (linked earlier).

Second, cease any and all talks with Iran until this situation reaches a conclusion. Don’t pledge support for Mousavi, because that isn’t our place, but don’t legitimize a Ahmadinejad by continuing to treat him like the elected president. A simple, “talks on Iran’s nuclear program have been suspended for the time being” etc.

The thing Joe couldn’t get to…

An Iranian student protester in Tehran made a passionate plea for help from the world community this morning in a phone call to CNN’s “American Morning.”

For safety reasons, CNN can only identify the student by his first name, Mohammad. He’s been a part of the protests and a target of the violence there. Below is an edited transcript of the interview.

John Roberts: What is the scene like on the streets? Are there more demonstrators out there on the streets? Or is it much quieter than it has been in recent days?

Mohammad: Hello. Actually I participated in Saturday’s demonstrations in parts of Tehran. What I saw, I saw thousands of security officers that tried to break up the crowd. They used canisters and batons and water cannons against us. They attacked us. And we also in response attacked them. We attacked them by throwing stones. And we built trenches in the streets…

Roberts: So there was quite a large confrontation going on there over the weekend. But can you tell us what the scene is like on the streets today?

Mohammad: Today was a long day in Tehran. And yesterday there weren’t any organized rallies in Tehran. Because we take orders from our leader…Mr. Mir Hossein Moussavi. The connections, the communication is very difficult, more than even you can imagine in Tehran. But I myself haven’t received any orders from our leaders yet. But as soon as I get any order, I will participate in any demonstration that they tell us.

Kiran Chetry: When you say receiving orders, tell us how the protests are organized. How are you guys called to go and where?

Mohammad: Actually, I’m a regular person. I’m not behind the scenes. I cannot tell you exactly how these demonstrations are organized. But as I know, as people said, there is a council, a group of Iranian reformists who organize these demonstrations and they tell us in any way that they could and we just follow.

Chetry: Do you get it on your cell phone, text messages, are you able to use the internet?

Mohammad: Actually, they reduce the internet speed. We have severe problems with the messenger software and every software like messengers. This is arranged by making calls, messages, calls to his friends or her friends and try to gather as much to tell as he or she can.

Roberts: Mohammad, we have been talking this morning about what the students are fighting for and whether the students are fighting for something different than the older more established political candidates like Moussavi. Are the students seeking regime change? Are they looking to bring down the Ayatollah and completely change the form of government there in Iran? Or are you looking for – as has been suggested – more civil rights, more freedoms within the context of the existing regime?

* Expert: Protesters want civil rights, not revolution

Mohammad: Yes. Let me tell you something. For about three decades our nation has been humiliated and insulted by this regime. Now Iranians are united again one more time after 1979 Revolution. We are a peaceful nation. We don’t hate anybody. We want to be an active member of the international community. We don’t want to be isolated… We don’t deny the Holocaust. We do accept Israel’s rights. And actually, we want — we want severe reform on this structure. This structure is not going to be tolerated by the majority of Iranians. We need severe reform, as much as possible.

Roberts: Interesting perspective this morning from Mohammad, a student demonstrator there in Tehran.

Mohammad: Excuse me, sir. I have a message for the international community. Would you please let me tell it?

Roberts: Yes, go ahead.

Mohammad: Americans, European Union, international community, this government is not definitely — is definitely not elected by the majority of Iranians. So it’s illegal. Do not recognize it. Stop trading with them. Impose much more sanctions against them. My message…to the international community, especially I’m addressing President Obama directly – how can a government that doesn’t recognize its people’s rights and represses them brutally and mercilessly have nuclear activities? This government is a huge threat to global peace. Will a wise man give a sharp dagger to an insane person? We need your help international community. Don’t leave us alone.

Chetry: Mohammad, what do you think the international community should do besides sanctions?

Mohammad: Actually, this regime is really dependent on importing gasoline. More than 85% of Iran’s gasoline is imported from foreign countries. I think international communities must sanction exporting gasoline to Iran and that might shut down the government.

Mohammad seems like a pretty smart kid. I like him. But the official leaders of the movement haven’t asked for US involvement. Evan Bayh actually has a bill in the works with 58 senators signed on to sanction Iran’s gasoline. We just have to make sure enough of the world is on board that they don’t simply find new suppliers.

Also, I can’t help but wonder how much these student protestors were motivated by Obama being in the White House and giving his speeches in the middle East, so they could see how the other side does it. I can’t see them reaching out to Bush.
In the meantime, we’re probably going to have to address Kim Jong Fuckhead before we deal with this.