Yep, exactly. Like how this order could be in violation of the equal protection clause.
Lol I guess I donât see what you do. The people effected are aliens and by law the president has the authority as he/she sees fit in regards to national security. You canât just say âI dont believe he has the right intentions. I think he wants to ban Muslimsâ. I guess it depends on what you think is above, equal protection clause or the law as it is. And in that sense who the equal protection clause applies to. I think people are confusing human rights vs. Rights and protections of US Citizens under the constitution. (I understand that there are those that believe that it applies to everyone vs only US citizens, pretty much like any other issue of left vs right)
But you canât make me believe that this action was taken because this judge really had a heartfelt moment for the people effected by it. Not based on everything that is going on. Yes itâs an assumption. Maybe I will be proven wrong but I totally believe that no matter what Trump does or will do, it will all be the same. This isnât really about what is right , or what is based on facts, itâs about proving that Trump is a bigot, mysoginist, fascist, racist etc etc
How do so many responses turn into trying to blame dem antics?
Didnât the GOP do everything in their power to go against ANYTHING the Obama administration introduced for the last 8 years? Please help me understand how the lack of preparation on this EO from the current WH was a fault of the left. I donât see a correlation or any reason why it was brought up.
Itâs no secret that they are spending all of their time trying to work against him.
I think itâs fair to point out the obvious here that they have no interest in working with him.
Iâm willing to bet that they wonât be having a say in his revised plan either.
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Thatâs not what Iâm debating. At all. I donât care. We all know Democrats are doing everything they can to oppose Trump. A big clue was when they said they were going to do it. Iâm trying to talk about the actual subject and the effects it may have on the nation instead of just pointing fingers.
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Really curious to get everyoneâs take on this. Weâre not even a month into this administration and shit like this is happening.
A few things:
- The former acting AG Sally Yates warned the WH about Flynnâs ties to Russia and about them possibly hanging something over his head. (Before being fired for not supporting the travel ban.)
- The WH refuses to release the transcripts of Flynnâs or Trumpâs calls with Russia.
- Evidence of Flynnâs ties to Russia go back long before the election.
I donât always go with the âwhere there is smoke there is fire mentalityâ when it comes to the things I read in the news, but god damn thereâs a lot of smoke.
Thereâs been some increased reporting on intelligence concerns related to some of the senior White House Staff. Unconfirmed reports that Russia some how received information from the Situation Room, etc. etc.
Kushnerâs âformerâ news site has even been reporting on it. The Spy Revolt Against Donald Trump Begins | Observer
Then Trump tweets this:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831510532318429184
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Anyone catch the cell phones out at the table at Mar-a-Lago after the NK launch?
He was a new hire that didnât work out and got caught lying to his boss, and now heâs gone. Itâs definitely not as campaign shattering as the left is trying to make it out to be but it doesnât look good for any president when one of his picks screws up this fast.
Should Flynn have been talking to them before the election and before he was confirmed? Nope. Probably would have blown over had he not told Pence, âNo, I definitely didnât talk to them about sanctionsâ only to have Pence go on the talk circuit backing him up then Flynn a few days later goes, âOh wait, maybe I didâ. If I pulled that with my boss Iâd get fired too (except in politics you donât get fired, you get asked to resign).
To me, this 100% falls on Flynn. Itâs just a convenient opportunity for the left to throw shade at an event that could have happened to either side.
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You guys donât think it warrants any additional investigation by the House Oversight or Intelligence Committees?
Yowzers. No one is talking about what the left is doing with this. Stick to the topic.
Will you knock it off with this. Of course this is a left vs right thing. THATâS FUCKING POLITICS. Crying stick to the topic every time someone brings it up is getting more and more pointless. You canât have the conversation about how far this should be investigated without bring up that one side has a leaked playbook that literally says, âblow everything out of proportion as much as possible since we have no real power after losing the house, senate and white houseâ.
Should it be investigated, sure. Should it get anywhere near the coverage itâs going to get in the MSM based on everything we know right now, definitely not. In 2012 Obama got caught in a hot mic pre-election saying to Russia, âjust wait till after the electionâ about the missile defense thing. Not, âmaybe he discussed something about somethingâ speculation, heâs on mic actually saying this. It didnât get nearly the press coverage this is.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nuclear-summit-obama-medvedev-idUSBRE82P0JI20120326
^ And thatâs why you canât have these discussions without bring up left/right. The past gives context to the discussion and cuts through the overblown fake indignation.
This is absolutely about left vs right because the AG is playing the âI told you so cardâ and the media is saying that Trump should be held accountable for hiring a guy with Russian ties.
Are you just saying stick to topic because we donât agree on things?
Iâm thoroughly confused why you keep telling me stay on topic, when Iâve always stuck to talking about the subject at handâŚ
At this point, anything that Trump is being criticized for is a left vs right thing because they are still salty over the election and they are looking for any small victory to claim that Trump is failing. This is another example IMO
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@JayS - No, I wonât. You constantly want to disregard what the MSM is reporting. Well, hereâs your fucking chance. I sourced an article that goes over the KNOWN details and prompted discussion about THAT topic. Who cares if CNN is jerking off on their teleprompters about it? We should be discussing OUR interpretation of that information without saying stupid shit all the time which is constantly distracting from the actual topic. Iâm actively trying NOT to have it be blown our of proportion. Do you seriously take this as me defending the left or MSM? For fuckâs sake, man. It seems like very real problems are attempted to be dismissed by using the MSM as an excuse. Get over it. We need to apply some critical thinking to the situation without the bias we all claim to hate.
So to borrow your words, Iâm going to keep pointing them out and if you keep calling me out about it Iâm going to keep telling you to go eat a bag of dicks. MRGA! 
mb Flynn should have communicated via private email server.
Well that escalated quicklyâŚ
@Paulo Something tells me that you want this to be a bigger deal than it is and Iâm not sure why?
This is an example of a person chosen to do a job, who clearly fucked up and said something that he clearly shouldnât have. He resigned after he lied and made the white house back him, after he gave them inaccurate information.
What answer are you looking for? Do you think Trump should be impeached?
You got 2 pretty honest and clear answers from board members on here and one you attacked and told to âstick to the topicâ (Iâm still lost as to where I strayedâŚ)
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The significant difference here is that he was actually the President at the time he said it. Flynn was a civilian, and may have actually broken the law by corresponding in the way he did, if what he reportedly discussed is true.
@BOBBYGRV - I do not, actually. Itâs the biggest story out there right now so it worth talking about. I want this to be what you started with; Trump didnât realize it and demanded his resignation upon finding out. However, there are still looming allegations about ties to Russia so the implicit correlation with Flynnâs ties and possibly Trumpâs ties are a concern for me. Intelligence leaks have been lining up with the dossier that was released in January.
I hate to use this argument, but pretend this was Hillary at the helm. What questions would you be asking?