cops should be paid whatever the fuck they want. $100K/yr for being a cop? ok. You wont get me to take the risk of getting shot doing my job for any less…would you?
you have absolutely no idea what you are taking about do you?
how many years experience have you had in private sector construction and buidling?
how many years experience have you had contracting government funded jobs?
unless you are past the 30+ year mark, like myself…you really need to shut your mouth.
Q: Why do you think apprentices get paid less?
A: Not only, they can’t be left alone to work, but they don’t have the skill, experience, or knowledge to build a safe, and reliable building by themselves.
How are a few bosses, supposed to watch several dozen apprentices? Oh yeah…they can’t.
In my experiences, its best if you have apprentices working one on one, with an experienced builder…so they can see what they are doing.
It goes along the same basis, as smaller class sizes, in schools.
I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t want to live in an apartment building, built by a bunch of in-experienced kids.
Are you familiar with New Yorks, Public-Contracts Law?
Brush up on it, and then get back to me.
Its roughly based on how organized labor continues to use government-imposed wage rules to make up for its weakness in persuading workers to join unions voluntarily.
Wherever they still exist, prevailing-wage laws drive up taxpayers’ costs. Instead of determining actual market rates, government agencies generally designate the (usually higher) union wage in a given area as the wage that “prevails” in local construction.
Besides paying artificially high wages, businesses with state construction contracts must follow complex rules, also based on union contracts, for classifying workers. In the Albany area, for example, teamster wages must be paid one of five rates from $22.17 to $22.57 an hour. The variance has nothing to do with the market for skilled drivers. Instead, it depends on whether the work involves a panel truck, a mixer truck, “double-hitched equipment where not self-loading” and other union-related criteria.
Yeah I usually make $8.50 an hr landscapeing for my dad. We landscaped some state land and got prevailing wage…lets just say I got a REALLY nice paycheck (2x my reg).
$20-$23/hr is an arbitrary(sp) number.
I am not in business to move people up to the next class.
My people are paid according to merit not some rediculous wage that a union extorted out of someone.
As far as public building projects go, a well trained monkey could probaly lay bricks for a few bananas a day and no comp claims, etc.
It is absolutely absurd what these guys are making.
I have had employees that had several children, should I pay them more because it will be harder for them to move up to the next class?
A little advice…
If moving out of the middle class is a priority, don’t work for someone else.
Get motivated and go earn your way out of the middle class.
Depending on the government is the hardest way to get out of the middle class.
Edit; One more thing, notice that the only unions with any strength are ones that do not have foreign competition but, people are getting fed up with unions all together because they stomped the US out of the world market.
The cost of living is so high in the US because of unions.
I’ll just repeat what Jay said and copy and paste Pundits post…
"So Erie County Legislators decided to send the controversial apprentice law to committee, aka, the unofficial burial ground for many a law and/or resolution.
Neat way to clean up a very messy item."
Good Job people… Thanks to all that signed the petition.
everyone should just move out of buffalo
problem solved
Yeah it’s not a real number, the point is that while it’s not worth the union wage nor is it worth the bottom dollar wage, it’s somewhere in the middle.
You most likely don’t sit there and figure out what to pay them so they remain or become poor (lower class). Which is what LARGE corporations would do. Keep the worker hungry so he’s forced to work. Any manufacturing job should be a middle class job, the middle class is big.
some of us here have gone so far as to encourage purchasing things out of peoples means. they have payments, and that keeps them coming to work. 
your sig is right… we are mean people
no see that’s someones own fault.
I guess you’re not a subscriber to corporate social responsibility?
we are responsible for making a customer happy. that means low opertating costs passed on to them. hire people that “need” a job, if they dont need it, make them need it.
some people are smart enough to not fall in to that trap. they move up the socal ladder. others… well… someone needs to take out the trash.
the problem is paying an unfair wage, that you know is unfair, becuase you know the person will take it because they need to eat.
i guess they should have gone to college then huh?
:lol: ok…so everyone goes to college, now who do you want to work the jobs?
the lowest bidder
EAT ME!
Do you have high blood pressure?
And all americans bitch that they want to be paid more money at work and want less expensive products, so they buy from wal-mart and support imported goods and workers in other countries. Soon manufacturing jobs will dissapear and you will have 3% of the Americans working as Executives and the other 97% bussing tables, cooking food, and changing eachothers oil in their cheap crappy cars cause no one can afford good ones anymore. Why is it so fucking wrong to try and make sure the worker isn’t getting screwed? and by the way, the average salary for americans is dropping! enjoy your low wages after you ruin this country!
Your college degree doesn’t mean shit when you can’t find a job cause all the companies just import everything. So spend your college days working out so you can carry packages for UPS or Fedex, and practice the line that you keep you employed “sir would you like a large coke for a quarter more?”
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guess the world owes this guy a living
someone needs to pull this guy’s skirt down and smack him on his bottom. 97% bussing talbes? For Realz…
shouldnt that be
someone should, or someone needs to?
just because you are sick and all juiced on drugs doesnt excuse you
Let me begin by saying I have never been in a union.
I have worked for a Mechanical contractor that employed union labor exclusively. I am also over 30 years old.
We had state contracts, and we had private ones. State contracts never worked out as well as the private ones. I cant tell you how many times we had to go in to some job after some scab contractor who managed to fuck things up, and clean up their mess for over twice the original billable rate, and less than half the time.
Market driven labor rates do not assure quality, they only assure price. When you go to the hospital, and your life depends on the work of skilled laborers, do you want to know that the worker was trained to weld oxygen grade piping, or do you want to know that the hospital paid the lowest possible wage, and the worker was on the job for over 18 hours straight?
I’m not saying that theres no place for non union skilled labor. There is, and there are more jobs that are appropriate for non union than union. But those of you who think that unions are the cause for the country’s problems are nuts. You shouldn’t have to go to college to be able to support a family. If you have a valuable skill, and are willing to make a commitment to a trade, you should be rewarded with a fair working wage and some kind of health and retirement. If that were possible without a union that would be cool, but I can tell you that there are few if any companies willing to do that, and even when they are committed to it, they find that the unions can do a better job, because they can organize a larger force.
I’m not saying someone at Harrison’s should make $50/hr, but I have no problem with the fact that the guy that piped in the boiler in the hospital did. And since the point of union scale state jobs is to ensure a certain quality of work, why not require someone making that kind of wage be involved in an aprentice/jouneyman relationship?
Fix thank you dear… what about that b-day lunch… or what about steak?