This administration is capable of anything…
Preists, cops, and firefighters are saying it looked like a demolition, and they heard explosions.
u guys can suck it.
beckinton FTW… sorry theres a lot of valid points that he is making… wonder if we will ever know the truth…
For real, I thought Jon would be smarter than that. Trust the government. Hhahahaha… If our forefathers believed that, we would all be speaking English English…
Jon > Thread.
I just don’t understand all you anarchists. I would love to see this country function with no government at all.
And before you cry about not being anarchists, which president in your lifetime, that you can remember, have you actually liked/not bitched about?
How stupid can you really be if you’re running the country?
Not to mention.
The phone calls are fake.
All those phone calls from flight 93, and 77.
FAKE.
One mother’s son, called her up and said “Hey, Mom its Mark Rothenburg. I am calling you from an Airphone…(dead silence)…You believe me don’t you mom? I am calling from an Airphone”
And that was it.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU CALLED YOUR MOM AND TOLD HER YOUR LAST NAME???
All the women who called loved ones sounded “calm”. Not like they had just seen 4 people get stabbed, and had a plane hijacked…
One flight attendant was recorded as saying “ohh, i see water and big big buildings”. Mind you she worked out of manhattan for 20 years.
Flight 93 and Delta 1989 were both seen landing in cleveland. and witnesses said they didn’t see flight 93 as soon as it landed…but they saw about 200 passengers get escorted out of the airport… delta 1989 had 60 passengers. Flight 93 had almost 200. That was flight 93, they saw getting escorted out…not Delta 1989.
Flight 93 and 77 are both registered still as being in active duty.
The other tow that hit the buildings are listed as “destroyed”.
Regardless Bush got what he wanted… We invaded Iraq, an innocent country as far as 9/11 is concerned, we lost thousands of American lives doing it. Because the middle east is even worse off than it is now, our oil prices have gone through the roof. They have tapped our phone conversations illegally, they have spread fear thoughout the country. Because of the fear, Bush even got himself relected (partially because of the ban on gay marriage and because Kerry sucked).
haha
I’ll say it again.
You are not any safer by knowing all details. You are safer by our government not blabbing all the info.
you are acting like this would be the first time in history that the government didn’t disclose information. Read into it how you want, but the government isn’t going to tell us everything just because people want to know.
oh well
All the so called points he comes up with are from that stupid conspiracy movie. Now i’m not saying some of those points don’t sound valid cause they do make you think. But I don’t believe any of it. There are to many what if’s and people guessing.
I’m fuckin owning you ass holes, with valid statements, eye witness events, pics, and scientific fact.
And your best defenses are “the gov’t said so.”
“you’re wrong dood, those firefighters and preists are lying”
“the gov’t is right”
you guys are so getting owned right now.
:smash2:
Anarchists… That’s a bit extreme, don’t you think? Because we disagree with the idiots running the joint, jacking up the national debt, and our own soldiers deaths because of shitty post-war planning, we are all anarchists… Get a clue man…
clinton was fun.
see, im 22. i only really remember 3 presidents. but from what i remember when clinton was in office, life was good. my parents were happy, i was a happy little dude. not like today.
I don’t trust the government, but I realize how they work. I just understand the fact that the government has been telling us 1/2 truths for as long as we have had a government. We will never know it all and there are some things that we probably shouldn’t. It’s stupid for someone to complain about this administration being any different then others on that topic. I have complaints about the current administation, but some of this shit is just retarded.
Why i’m wasting my time discussing it is beyond me. I’m out.
P.S. - 9 out of the 20 or so hijackers…have been found to be alive in the middle east…
but coincidentally…they have all lost their passports at some time, in the past.
Someone needs to revisit Physics 101.
I don’t feel like going into this cause it would take me too long. The buildings were NOT a controlled demolition, a plane DID hit the Pentagon, there is no conspiracy.
A conspiracy theorist is like being EMO, its a desperate cry for attention by someone who feels lost in the herd willing to listen to/say anything to gain attention.
AWDrifter…
How it is possible for all the core columns (47 or so, give or take if some were damaged) were able to all fail simultaneously to cause the tower to fall vertically and symmetrically. This is an amazing event to have the heat energy all around the interior to be sustained and heat precise enough to cause the steel members to fail in the exact time whether it be trusses or columns. Not even positioned large blow torches can create this event. Heat distribution would be different for each column due to the density of the materials and what is in contact with it. This is not even accounting for the variations of fire burning in an area. Realistically I am sure all the core columns and trusses were not exposed like a skeleton. There had to be intact areas of drywall and other structure as well as debris build up in others. The floors could not have possible fallen like a pancake. In reality only sections would buckle and give way but would likely fall sideways while other areas would stay intact. Photographs do not show evenly distributed fires all around the tower so this helps illustrate my point here. The official collapse theory with fire is not very plausible in this event.
Thirdly. The collapse and progression. How is it possible that the Potential energy of the 18 floors of structure above the collapse point when it became kinetic energy was able to destroy 92 or so stories of building in less than 12 seconds? If the 18 stories of building was crashing into the floors below and was able to convert it’s kinetic energy into the energy to destroy all the joints of the core columns and pulverize the concrete into fine dust and eject it out in all directions hundreds of feet away from the footprint area of the building. How is it possible that the collapse was able to continue once it depleted itself of mass? Why did it at least not slow down as the mass amounts lessened (besides the resistance factor)? Consider these facts:
All the concrete was pulverized into dust. The largest pieces of concrete found were about the size of a baseball. The rest coated the streets around the city like volcanic ash.
The materials being pulverized inside the building were being ejected out of the building footprint area in some cases horizontally and as far as +/-150 feet out all around the structure.
All the core columns and most of the perimeter walls were shattered at their joints.
All the congregated steel floor sheets along with the trusses and office contents was pulverized on every floor.
All the windows were shattered into fine particles almost to the point of silica
All this occurred at the rate of +/-10 floors a second. It would take roughly 6 tenths of a second for a floor to be pulverized.
The entire building was destroyed at this level in 10-12 seconds.
Physics challenge: Calculate the energy levels necessary to do the described above and whether or not the kind of mass structure provided (potential energy) would be able to do this and be able to overcome the dissipative forces (resistance) of the mass below without the use of any other catalyst?
How is it possible for these 18 floors to destroy 92 floors without the 18 floors depleting themselves of material? How was the mass able to overcome resistance so methodically? If the floors were being destroyed at a rate of 10 floors a second the area mass of falling building would have depleted itself of mass in less than 2 seconds. Since they are of the same composition they must have the same ability to loose their integrity equally. Since the majority of mass was being ejected out (this started as soon as it made contact with eachother) what was left to cause the collapse to continue? The mass could not have collected on top of each floor in large amounts since this would have resulted in a large centralized debris pile in the footprint area. This did not occur. The photos show it was spread out everywhere. The debris pile in the footprint areas was about 60 feet high or so.
Size of this mass is irrelevant in this equation because they are equal when making contact. I do want to note however that the core columns density became thicker as they went down the tower. It was designed this way because of the load bearing requirements. This should have played into the collapse equation.
In physics energy can only be transferred when a change occurs. In this case, If potential energy is converted into Kinetic energy but then converted again into the energy to pulverize the concrete and eject it out, how is the mass able to maintain it’s kinetic energy? This goes against the laws of physics. Kinetic energy is slowed down by dissipative forces and that is exactly what should have taken place. The 18 floors should have depleted and the collapse should have halted. This is pure physics. This has nothing to do with conspiracy.
Perpetual motion cannot be applied here because with perpetual motion, no energy is wasted. With the WTC all of the energy was wasted because the concrete was pulverized and energy was wasted ejecting it out. Energy was also wasted shattering the joints of the huge steel core column members and energy was wasted in the basement levels where pools of molten steel were found (meaning that kinetic energy would have had to be converted into heat energy) In reality however due to dissipative forces the kinetic energy would have depleted far sooner before it got this far down. This is just to illustrate that perpetual motion is not applicable.
Read the caption…
This once again, illustrates the point perfectly.
Regarding this
Note, first of all, the perfect symmetry and uniformity of “collapse” initiation.
Secondly, (aside form the visible fireball explosions at the point of collapse initiation - not merely internal flames being pushed out) notice how that top section implodes and explodes, leaving essentially nothing at all to “squash” the rest of the entire length of building down, like a trash compactor of some kind (official pancake collapse theory).
see this is what I really don’t get about these theories…
IF THEY USED A FUCKING PLANES ON WTC 1 & 2…AND CRASHED ONE IN PA…AND A 3RD ONE WAS ‘HIJACKED’ WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY SHOOT A MISSLE INTO THE PENTAGON INSTEAD OF HITTING IT WITH A FUCKING PLANE AND STICKING WITH THEIR ‘MOTIF’?