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I am telling you I think they will release them but after all the conspiracy people make asses of themselves first.
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ohh man…
the planes weren’t fueled to capasity. read the link i posted for cRYing out loud. planes arent filled to capasity for a cross country flight.
fuck man. FRISBEE GOLFFFFFFFFFFFF!
:tup: That’d be hysterical.
A b 25 hit the empire state building, which is also built completely differently than the world trad center.
The b25 is much smaller but if Trogdor was painted on the pentago plane you had better believe that fucker would have burned to the ground.
OK so with jet fuel by itself is not hot enough. What about other combustibles in the building. The materials/stuff on each floor can burn. Now I don’t know if the buildings had any natural gas lines threw them but lets say they did. Natural gas burns around 3000F +/-100 degrees F or 1648.8888888888c. Lets say it burns at 3100F that’s comes out to 1704.444444C witch surpasses your 1688 C. Witch mean melted titanium. This is of course of the buildings had gas lines running threw them.
The point im trying to make is there wer other materials burning in the building besides jet fuel that could have gotten hot enough to make the buidling fall.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/newton/askasci/1995/eng/ENG49.HTM
http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/tempfc.htm
Jet fuel doesn’t burn nearly hot enough (about 1200 degrees.) to melt high temp steel (3000 degrees).
it was a direct hit… they got lost through the fog.
The greedy son of a bitch owner of the WTC, wanted $7 billion insurance payout, for his $3.5 billion dollar coverage… claiming 2 planes = 2 accidents. :bloated:
And after all the jet fuel burned off (minutes if that), it would have just been the same as any ordinary house fire.
It would have taken longer than 50 minutes of burning, to bring down the buildings. Experts say about 3-4 hours…atleast.
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Does that take into account the giant plane hitting it or just burning alone?
How do you calculate the damage the plane did on impact?
Do the experts specialize in planes hitting buildings?
I have never heard of planes hitting buildings experts.
Remember when they fell down?
It looked like a controlled demolition. Not something falling down.
it looked like this…
or this
Beckington are you actually saying that the WTC was a controlled demolition? :lol:
both.
the buildings were designed to with stand, hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes, and COMMERICAL AIRLINER IMPACTS…
AND EVEN IF the steel would melt where the plane hit…why would it cause the 80+ floors below it to collapse???
How else is that building going to colpase? You think it’s going to fall over sideways? :lol:
seems that the buildings took out a lot of other buildings around them…very controlled :bloated:
It did not look anything like that!!!
It pancaked each story!!!
Holy shit, lets not go back to square one.
I am starting to think you are just fucking around.
leave him alone, hes a lost cause. Guess some people didn’t get enough drama from the buildings falling and thousands killed…:gotme:
Buildings tend to fall down, you know, with the force of gravity. 80+ floors were not designed to have the weight of 20+ floors fall on them, when one floor pancakes the rest will continue to.
its a big theory.
1.) The bomb sniffing dogs that had been there, everyday all the time, since 1993…were removed weeks before sept 11th.
2.) The floors of the wtc, were shut down one by one, everyday, and nobody but engineers and security were allowed on the floors…even the cameras were turned off.
3.) G. Bush’s brother runs the security company in charge of the WTC
4.) The same company that cleaned up the ok. city bombing…cleaned up the world trade center.
5.) Witnesses heard bombs going off, seconds before the explosion, and you can see little tiny explosions floors below the actualyl collapse…
Emergency worker who witnessed the collapse of Building 7: "We were watching the building [WTC7] actually ‘cuz it was on fire… the bottom floors of the building were on fire and… we heard this sound that sounded like a clap of thunder… turned around - we were shocked to see that the building was ah well it looked like there was a shockwave ripping through the building and the windows all busted out… it was horrifying… about a second later the bottom floor caved out and the building followed after that… we saw the building crash down all the way to the ground… we were in shock. "
NYC ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER ANSWERED THESE QUESTIONS…
"I know I was with an officer from Ladder 146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me up a couple of days later just to find out how I was. We both for whatever reason – again, I don’t know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought – at that time I didn’t know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.
Q. Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?
A. No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That’s what I thought I saw. And I didn’t broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don’t know if I’m crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me. He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too.
I don’t know if that means anything. I mean, I equate it to the building coming down and pushing things down, it could have been electrical explosions, it could have been whatever. But it’s just strange that two people sort of say the same thing and neither one of us talked to each other about it. …
Q. On the television pictures it appeared as well, before the first collapse, that there was an explosion up on the upper floors.
A. I know about the explosion on the upper floors. This was like eye level. I didn’t have to go like this. Because I was looking this way. I’m not going to say it was on the first floor or the second floor, but somewhere in that area I saw to me what appeared to be flashes. I don’t know how far down this was already. I mean, we had heard the noise but, you know, I don’t know.
All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2 thirds of the way up. Some people thought it was an explosion. I don’t think I remember that. I remember seeing, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building. I assume now that that was either windows starting to collapse like tinsel or something. Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV."
-FDNY recall “detonations” in South Tower:
fireman2: We made it outside, we made it about a block.
fireman1: We made it at least 2 blocks.
fireman2: 2 blocks.
fireman1: and we started runnin’
fireman2: poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch
fireman1: Floor by floor it started poppin’ out …
fireman2: It was as if as if they had detonated, det…
fireman1: yea detonated yea
fireman2: as if they had planned to take down a building,
boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom …
fireman1: All the way down, I was watchin it, and runnin’
Video: http://www.prisonplanet.tv/discussion_in_firehouse.mpg
-NEW YORK TIMES ‘ORAL HISTORIES’ - WTC TASK FORCE INTERVIEWS
FIREFIGHTER EDWARD CACHIA Interview Date: December 6, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/…HIC/9110251.PDF
pg 5: As my officer and I were looking at the south tower, it just gave. It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.
-PARAMEDIC DANIEL RIVERA Interview Date: OCTOBER 10 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/…HIC/9110035.PDF
pg 9: It was a frigging noise. At first I thought it was – do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear “pop, pop, pop, pop, pop”? That’s exactly what – because I thought it was that. When I heard that frigging noise, that’s when I saw the building coming down.
-FIREFIGHTER KENNETH ROGERS Interview Date: December 10, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/…HIC/9110290.PDF
pgs 3-4: … then there was an explosion in the south tower, which according to this map, this exposure just blew out in flames. A lot of guys left at that point. I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93.
-LIEUTENANT GEORGE J. DeSIMONE Interview Date: October 22, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/…HIC/9110129.PDF
pg 6: The next thing I know, we heard a little bit of a rumbling, and then white powder came from the first collapsed building. I thought it was an explosion initially.
pgs 7-8: After that, I still thought it was an explosion. I thought it was some kind of thermal explosion where I’m either going to get burnt – and I had kind of ideas that it was going to be something like Hiroshima where all this heat was coming at me and we were going to get burnt – or if the heat didn’t burn me, I thought that all the parts coming out of this building, the windows, metal, all the things like that, that I might be severed in half.
pg 10: I don’t think we understood the magnitude of what was going on. I was fearful that there were bombs in the building. That was my first thought, being the military kind of guy that I am.
-FATHER JOHN DELENDICK Interview Date: December 6, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/…HIC/9110230.PDF
pgs 5-6: I remember asking Ray Downey was it the jet fuel that blew up. He said at that point he thought there were bombs up there because it was too even. As we’ve since learned, it was the jet fuel that was dropping down that caused all this. But he said it was too even.
Q. Symmetrical?
A. So his original thought was that he thought it was a bomb up there as well.
-NBC Reporter, Pat Dawson: “[Albert Turi] the Chief of Safety of the Fire Department of New York City told me he received word of the possibility of a secondary device, that is another bomb going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could, but he said there was another explosion which took place. …That his theory he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted in the building.” Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.reporter.1.wmv
-MSNBC Reporter, Ann Thompson: “… Cars on fire… cars just turned by the force of the explosions…”
Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc…ompson.cars.wmv
-NEW YORK TIMES ‘ORAL HISTORIES’ - WTC TASK FORCE INTERVIEWS
FIREFIGHTER TIMOTHY JULIAN Interview Date: December 26, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/…HIC/9110386.PDF
pg 10: … right when we got to the corner of Washington and Albany, that’s when I heard the building collapse. First I thought it was an explosion. I thought maybe there was a bomb on the plane, but delayed type of thing, you know, secondary device. I was convinced for a week it was secondary devices. … You know, and I just heard like an explosion and a then a cracking type of noise, and then it sounded like a freight train, rumbling and picking up speed, and I remember I looked up, and I saw it coming down…
-LIEUTENANT ROBERT DORRITIE Interview Date: December 11, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/…HIC/9110299.PDF
pg 4: … we were deciding which way to go into the south tower. That’s when I looked up, and the tower started coming down, which at the time I said I thought it was a secondary device. I had warned the guys about secondary devices on the way down and to be careful of that.
-FIREFIGHTER TIMOTHY BURKE Interview Date: January 22, 2002
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/…HIC/9110488.PDF
pg 8: Then the building popped, lower than the fire, which learned was I guess, the aviation fuel fell into the pit, and whatever floor it fell on heated up really bad and that’s why it popped at that floor. That’s the rumor I heard. But it seemed like I was going oh, my god, there is a secondary device because the way the building popped thought it was an explosion.
-FIRE MARSHAL JOHN COYLE Interview Date: December 28, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/…HIC/9110406.PDF
pg 8: The tower was – it looked to me – I thought it was exploding, actually. That’s what I thought for hours afterwards, that it had exploded or the plane or there had been some device on the plane that had exploded, because the debris from the tower had shot out far over our heads. It was raining down.
pgs 15-16: While I was down at Battery Park, I finally got through on my phone to my father and said, “I’m alive. I just wanted to tell you, go to church, I’m alive. I just so narrowly escaped this thing.” He said, “where were you? You were there?” I said, “yeah, I was right there when it blew up.” He said, “you were there when the planes hit?” I said, “no, I was there when it exploded, the building exploded.” He said, “you mean, when it fell down?” I said, “no, when it exploded.” I still didn’t realized what had happened. I totally thought it had been blown up. That’s just the perspective of looking up at it, it seemed to have exploded out. But that I guess was the force of the upper stories collapsing down.
-FIREFIGHTER ANGEL RIVERA Interview Date: January 22, 2002
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/…HIC/9110489.PDF
pgs 4-5: We were there about ten minutes before the chief told us go to the Marriott Hotel, go from the 14th floor up, search and evacuate all the floors. So we walk all the way up, no problem. Then we hear the explosion and debris falling. We were looking out of the windows and see body parts all over the place. It was scary. It was very sad. We searched 14, 15, went in one lobby, we came out the other way, we went in one stairway, came up – when we hit the 19th floor, something horrendous happened. It was like a bomb went off. We thought we were dead. The whole building shook. The brick coming out of – the door to the hallway into the hotel blew off like somebody had thrown it all over the place. It shook all over the place. We were thrown on the floor. We looked inside the lobby after everything calmed down, and everything was collapsed. The building was still shaking and we’re still hearing explosions going on everywhere, so we decided let’s get out of here. After we decided to get out of there, we dropped everything. We had a roof rope; we dropped it. We didn’t think about retaining our tools. We just wanted to get out of there. We ran all the way down to the fourth floor where we ran out of stairs. There were no more stairs.
pg 7: Mike Mullan walked one flight up, and then the most horrendous thing happened. That’s when hell came down. It was like a huge, enormous explosion. I still can hear it. Everything shook. Everything went black. The wind rushed, very slowly [sound], all the dust, all the – and everything went dark.
pg 9: When the second tower came down, we had no idea what was going on. We thought another plane, another bomb, another as a second device. We thought, this is it, we are dead.
-MSNBC Reporter, Rick Sanchez: “… Police have found what they describe as a suspicious device, and they fear that it might be something that could lead to another explosion…I spoke with some police officials moments ago, Chris, and they told me that they have reason to believe that one of the explosions at the WTC aside from the ones that may have been caused by the impact of the plane with the building, may have been caused by a van that was parked in the building that may have had some type of explosive device in it. So, their fear here is that there may have been explosive devices planted either in the building or in the adjacent area …”
Video: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/comments/911.w…explosives.wmv
-WTC Worker: “…we stuck on the stairs for a while, we finally got down to the lobby. Then we get to the lobby, there’s this big explosion.” Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc…g.explosion.wmv
-NEW YORK TIMES ‘ORAL HISTORIES’ - WTC TASK FORCE INTERVIEWS
BATTALION CHIEF DOMINICK DeRUBBIO Interview Date: October 12, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/…HIC/9110064.PDF
pg 5: It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion, but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other.
-ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER JAMES DRURY Interview Date: October 16, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/…HIC/9110098.PDF
pg 6: We were in the process of getting some rigs moved when I turned, as I heard a tremendous roar, explosion, and saw that the first of the two towers was starting to come down.
pg 7: That was the north tower now coming down. I should say that people in the street and myself included thought that the roar was so loud that the explosive - bombs were going off inside the building. Obviously we were later proved wrong.
pg 12: As I said I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere in the building. That’s how loud it was, crackling explosive, a wall.
-CAPTAIN JAY SWITHERS Interview Date: October 30, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/…HIC/9110172.PDF
pg 5: I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn’t see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion. I thought it was a secondary device, but I knew that we had to go.
-MSNBC Reporter, Ann Thompson: “At 10:30 I tried to leave the building, but as soon as I got outside I heard a second explosion and another rumble and more smoke and more dust. I ran inside the building and the chandelier shook and again black smoke filled the air. Within another five minutes we were covered again with more soot and more dust. And then a fire marshal came in and said we had to leave, because if there was a third explosion this building might not last.”
Video: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911…explosions.wmv
Do you want about 100 more? Cause I got em.
I’d rather believe the witnesses who were there, and have nothing to hide…
Than the government who has everything to hide.
now THOSE are some famous fucking last words