Thats a bad thing?
ugh, its guaranteed to us by our constitution…this is what nazi germany did tho their people. im not saying that we are turning into nazi germany, im just saying, its promised to us and we should not stray from our constitution. Obviously a marine like urself cant dispute that. I agree with backgound checks and waiting periods. But banning handguns all together is unamerican
AND THOSE LAWS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THOSE KINDS OF PEOPLE! They will do whatever/use whatever the can, and will get a gun of any type illegally if they really want to. You think they are going to wait around for the permit and through the pickup waiting period? LOL! If they were any type of a menace or criminal to begin with- they would never be allowed a permit in the first 10 fucking places!
HELLO? HELLO? IS ANYONE THERE?
Typical liberal approach. So, what the hell does what YOU see a point in have a flying fuck to do with everyone else? Dont want one? DONT BUY ONE. But dont try and tell me I cant either!
When the fuck did this country turn into the “I dont like it so you cant do it either” country? What is this shit lately?
Jesus… if you people want to live in a country where the government runs your lives and takes care of you, restricts everything, makes decisions for you, and has the right to do just about anything it wants… move to Canada. Its only a stones throw away!
very much agreed sir
1789 - The Bill of rights
2008 - Today
219 years later, we’ve seen several wars, slavery, a civil war, abolishment of slavery, Personal Automobiles, Airplanes, Nazis, Computers, the internet.
We have law enforcement for a reason, let them deal with the criminals. I can only see someone getting themselves killed by attempting to draw a weapon on someone.
Scenario - Walking down a dark alley in the middle of the city, a person comes up to you with a gun drawn, and tells you to give him your wallet.
without a gun - “I have no weapons, let me grab my wallet for you and you can be on your way”
simple risk: all you lose is a wallet.
With a gun - Increased stress on the part of the criminal, and you make an attempt to pull your weapon on him. Who fires first? Who has the balls to pull the trigger? are you quick enough to get a shot off before the criminal reacts? Will he run away?
The criminal has the intent enough to point the weapon at you and already break a law by holding you up at gun point. What percentage of criminals in that scenario would pull the trigger? What percentage of people in that situation would pull the trigger?
My bet is with the criminal pulling the trigger, armed robbery is already a felony.
risks from having a gun: Stolen wallet, injury, maybe death
Get your wallet back from the cops or just take the loss. Who carries cash anyways, cancel the cards no money is taken from you, and you may have saved your own life.
Same goes for getting your house robbed. Sure you could have just secured your house so the criminal would never get in, but you spent the time with the weapon instead.
Guns (at least hand guns) should not be in the hands of civilians.
- Production of weapons.
There will be less around if production decreases, sure it sucks for the companies but they will never lose their military contracts. Believe me the US military will not lose these weapons. Less guns around means less chance they can get into the hands of the criminals. Guns break, do you think your average criminal is going to make machine his weapon to fix it? I don’t see it happening, one less gun.
- Do you even own a weapon/carry it.
If you do have a weapon do you carry it all the time? Where would you keep the weapon? What percentage of situations that you get into where you could use your weapon to save you?
Terrible logic, You get your gun stolen cause you can’t secure it properly (I’m not saying you don’t know how to secure a gun, this world is full of negligent people) That gun is out on the streets. I never had to buy a weapon or even look at another weapon for it to get out on the streets. I did nothing to put that gun in a criminals hands, you did. Your actions or lack of put ME in danger.
Sure people should be able to do what they want, but there better be some serious responsibility shown when doing so.
Clarification, I’m talking about hand guns here
Wow, you are a very naive person. That is all I can say.
You go ahead and trust your life to a criminal holding you at gun point. Let me know how it goes.
Call me proactive, but thanks, I’ll take a concealed weapon any time in that situation. As the person carrying the concealed weapon, you dont HAVE to draw. That is your decision. If you really feel its a quick snatch and grab and not worth the risk, then let it slide. If you dont think you are coming out of it alive anyway based on the criminals intentions, I think you would be PRAYING to have a pistol magically appear in your hand if you werent carrying.
Part of carrying concealed is knowing how to be ready and proactive in a situation like that. You know you have a weapon concealed, the criminal doesnt. You ultimately can have the element of surprise if it came down to it, and knowing yourself and your weapon is absolute key.
Not to mention, how many of these criminals would be willing to do what they do if they KNEW that most civilians were armed? a LOT less likely. A wallet isnt worth being shot- And that goes two ways my friend! A wallet is a lot less appealing if you know you have a 1 in 4 chance of taking a bullet for it from a pissed off civilian, versus 100% certainty you wont, and have AMPLE time to get away, in ANY situation, before the police arrive.
You can call me naive all you want, I maybe wrong but I’m confident I have experience on my side in this situation here.
Sure it does work both ways. I have no argument about that just by experience I have gone by.
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agreed, its all about the situation, I just don’t want the guns into the hands of the criminals in the first place. A knife is a much more manageable situation.
Edit again: I cant keep up with your edits lol
all that aside ilc, the fact still remains,the sig 357 that sits in my gun safe is there for my protection. its there because its PROMISED to me. Also if handguns are banned to the American people, it will send at least a little bit of a blow to our economy. Nething that stops the production and or sale of something will hurt us.
I’m glad you use good practices to secure your weapon. I don’t have a problem with this at all. You are not an idiot american
I don’t know how much of a blow it would be, I’m sure military contracts are a very large portion of the companies revenue.
Yeah, but get over it- thats NOT the side of the equation that you can control! Legal gun sales have vitually NO impact on the illegal gun market! NONE, ZIP, ZILCH!
These laws are PREVENTING people from protecting themselves, and making it SAFER for criminals to do their thing. They have no impact on the criminal tools of trade. END OF STORY.
Dont get me wrong, I am all for securing weapons against children tampering- but an unloaded, trigger-locked weapon in a safe is USELESS in an emergency. There are other types of safeties and common sense methods of preventing misuse that are much more manageable in an emergency.
In a home with children, a “touch-lock” box for a single weapon, utilizing a slide type pistol, no trigger lock and round not chambered is the best answer. For slide type autos, a small child wont have ability to chamber a round even if they did get a hold of it, and many weapons have intuitive safeties on top of that. Revolvers are not a weapon of choice when children are around. By the time they are old enough to physically chamber a round in a slide-auto, they should already have been taught gun safety.
In a home with no children, a touch-lock box with a chambered weapon inside, an intuitive safety pistol, or a “speed-lock” trigger lock and no box would be the best option.
PS- an intuitive safety is one that by doing something to or removing something from the weapon will render it unusable unless reversed or reinstalled. These often involve firing pin blockers which will not allow a round to be fired no matter what, even if the hammer drops from a mechanical problem, the weapon is dropped, trigger pulled, hammer sear slips, etc, etc.
I can’t agree or disagree, It all comes down to where the handguns are received from the criminals
well shit…
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/rpt/2007-R-0211.htm
New York law requires gun owners to report the loss or theft within 24 hours after the owner becomes aware of it including the facts and circumstances surrounding it. A violation is punishable by fine of up to $ 100.
I sincerely hope thats not all that happens… if thats the case who gives a shit to report it.
California recently enacted a law that would have required gun owners to report the loss or theft of their guns but the governor vetoed it.
Rhode Island law requires anyone who owns a firearm to report its loss or theft to the local law enforcement agency within 24 hours of discovering it. A knowing violation is punished by a fine of $ 50 to $ 100.
This seems awfully laughable. I’m hoping its not true lol with such relaxed laws like this. It seems kind of obvious where the problem is. If these reporting laws can be far more strict, then I’m all for letting people having guns.
The law I would create:
1st time Lost or stolen weapon - Mandatory 1,000 dollar fine
2nd time lost or stolen - Lost of license for 5 years, 5,000 dollar fine
3rd time - you will never get a license again
If not reported in 48 hours, jump to step two. If this is too ridiculous let me know.
I have no problem with somewhat stricter responses on “losing” your weapon. However, I think it should be noted that this should be per occurance, not per weapon. I can see losing multiple weapons at the same time for some reason. I dont think it should be permanent however, as someone could really be THAT unlucky. I think the law would have to be targeted at people who lose them “on purpose”. Someone would not bother purposely losing a weapon if they couldnt do it effectively, ie: only do it once in 10 years.
1st time: No Fine, shit happens.
2nd: 5 year probation, limiting you to ONE pistol registered at a time only. Police may hold your additonal weapons if you would like them to, sell them off to someone else, or register to someone else. If you dont lose this weapon in 5 years, you then go back to unrestricted.
3rd (on probation): liscence pulled for 5 years altogether from the date the 3rd occurance happened. Thorough investigation into WTF your problem is. If found to be intentional, you lose it forever.
PS- re: NY/RI one thing that you forgot is that the fine for not reporting a pistol is PEANUTS in comparison to the fuck-fest that will go down if your weapon is used illegally after its stolen, before you report it! Trust me, every gun owner knows to report that shit ASAFP to prevent getting mixed up in a criminal investigation!
As far as Cali, there HAS to be a missing peice of that statement with how liberal that state is. There is a puzzle peice missing, its probably redundant or something.
I prefer it to be a little more strict, since I don’t like get out of jail free cards. I do like the idea of one weapon at a time, after an infraction. Also I do agree on the per occurance thing. Obviously you have a few weapons they are all going to be stolen at once lol. Would be interesting to explain how you lost 20 hand guns though, if they were not stolen.
Of course discussion on subjects like this does absolutely nothing to help the cause. At least there is an agreeable point where the problem lies.
The problem lies mainly in smuggling illegal arms back into the country. Its a trade, just like the drug trade. Its our typical government, they band-aid the VISIBLE area that they deem the problem, while the underground continues business as usual. The problem is, the visible part wasnt the problem- it was the fucking solution! In effect, its a self-fullfilling prophecy. take away the visible guns, people feel safer, crime goes up anyway, take away more guns, people feel safer, crime goes higher, and higher… until people finally wake the fuck up like they are in DC right now about how the real world works.
Watch the movie “Lord Of War”… that about sums it up.
the dems are just trying to strip us of our rights so we become more socialist. they don’t care about life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness, end of story. i guess that those three items mean nothing anymore
im glad to see there are so many people vehemently opposed to gun control. ive been trying to stay out of this because i know the whole argument from the advocates of gun control is based entirely on their own ignorance of guns. and arguing with someone who has blind faith gets you nowhere. but i just wanted to bring up one point. even if you ban guns all together to the public, criminals will still always have access to them. there are hundreds of millions of guns in america, a ban isnt going to make them all disappear. so essentially any law restricting ownership of guns to the public just inhibits the publics ability to protect itself and has no effect at all on the criminal elements ability to obtain a gun. the gun control lobbyists would have better results if they would focus on increasing the legal ramifications of gun crime rather than restricting ownership to the public.