WTF !

:rolleyes:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07149/789707-85.stm
Legislator wants trucks to move over, slow down
Tuesday, May 29, 2007

By Tom Barnes, Post-Gazette Harrisburg Bureau

HARRISBURG – A senator from suburban Philadelphia is pushing a speed-limit proposal for trucks that’s sure to upset truckers who use the Pennsylvania Turnpike and other limited access highways in the state.

Sen. Stewart Greenleaf, R-Montgomery, has introduced a bill that would limit truckers’ speeds to no more than 60 mph on the turnpike and other highways – five mph less than the posted 65 mph speed limit.

His bill, Senate Bill 369, would restrict truckers to the right-hand lane of the highways, even if a truck doing less than 60 was already traveling in that lane. In other words, the faster truck wouldn’t be allowed to pass the slower truck.

Mr. Greenleaf said he travels the turnpike regularly from his home to the Capitol in Harrisburg, and he sees the proposal as a way to increase safety for all traffic, especially cars and other smaller vehicles.

“We’re just trying to slow trucks down and keep them from going from lane to lane,” he said. Sometimes when he’s traveling on the turnpike he gets caught between two trucks and “it’s dangerous,” he said. “Cars are just midgets compared to trucks.”

He said 10 states, including Ohio, Indiana and Illinois, have differential speed laws for trucks. He maintained that if the large trucks were restricted to the right-hand lane and forced to stay at 60 mph, cars would be able to pass them more safely in the left lane.

He said that in 2005, the most recent statistics available, Pennsylvania had 183 deaths in accidents involving tractor-trailers. “It would be safer if we had a speed differential,” he contended.

His proposal would apply to trucks weighing at least 26,000 pounds, which would include most 18-wheelers, semis, tandem trucks and even some smaller trucks.

Trucking industry officials, not surprisingly, don’t like his idea, and even turnpike spokesman Bill Capone said he’s not convinced the speed differential idea will increase safety.

Todd Spencer, executive vice president of the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association, said requiring trucks to travel at slower speeds does not promote highway safety.

“It does exactly the opposite by requiring that vehicles are constantly in conflict with each other,” he said.

As far as lane restrictions for trucks, he said, that “would be an ill-advised step to take. Such restrictions invariably cause more problems than they fix. Trucks and other vehicles need to be able to move over a lane when necessary. When you start restricting vehicles to certain lanes, you end up with more vehicles tailgating and making unsafe passing maneuvers in all lanes.”

Mr. Capone said the turnpike commission studied the idea of differential speeds several years ago and decided there was no clear evidence that they made the road safer.

“The study indicated that reducing the speed for trucks didn’t necessarily reduce accidents,” he said. The only solid argument in favor of holding trucks to a lower speed was that it reduces the stopping distance for the heavy vehicles, he added.

“But you might create more congestion by having all the slower-moving trucks in the right lane,” he said. It could create dangerous situations on the downhill portions of the turnpike, when faster trucks would tend to tailgate the slower trucks in front of them without being able to pass them, he added.

“So we decided to keep the speed limits for all vehicles uniform,” Mr. Capone said.

Mr. Greenleaf concedes he probably has a struggle ahead of him to get the lower speed limit for trucks enacted. He’s the senator who has fought for years – so far without success – on another controversial issue, enacting a statewide ban on smoking in workplaces and public places like bars, restaurants and casinos. He’s hoping for a vote on that bill in June.

The speed-limit bill is before the Senate Transportation Committee and it isn’t known when a vote might be held.

“I’m persistent,” Mr. Greenleaf said. “This is going to be a long battle.”

LOL @ not allowing a truck to pass.

i do agree that some truckers take advantage of the left lane… i was behind some asshole trucker for about 20 miles once… he would just speed up enough to block both lanes… then roll at 62mph until a hill when he’d slow down to mid -50s…

but come on… wtf is the point?

Most of the trucks have a governor on them by the company.
It gets very annoying when both trucks are set at the same speed.
Driver A doesn’t want to let Driver B pass for numerous reasons.

Slight hill with 40 tons will make you bog down. Another annoying thing.

stupid

Yes, let’s increase the speed difference. That sounds like a great way to increase safety. :nuts:

retarded idea. only 183 deaths to trucking industry in PA sounds pretty goo.d even though any death is bad, but how many miles have truckers put on in comparison to normal passenger cars. i love how numbers get twisted

jim you know my slight hatred for some truckers. i do think there are alot of asshole truckers out there that take advantage of their size and go WAY too fast. i think not allowing them to pass at all in the left lane is a bit extreme tho.

Trucks and cars w/ trailers are limited to 55 here in CA. It’s suuuuuuuuuuper annoying when I’m pulling my tire trailer.

-TJ

wow…thats seems alittle much

Soooo gay.

The only time I want a larger speed differential, is when one truck is passing another, and there are only two lanes, and it takes him 5 miles to get past the other truck. The rest of the time I like everyone going a similar speed.

Most people on the road need to drive more like trucks, particularly in heavy traffic. We need less 0-30-0 bullshit like the parkway always is. I was in LA recently, and when they have 4-5 lanes (each direction) jammed up, everyone maintains 10-20mph, none of this gas brake gas brake crap that we have in Pittsburgh.

“The study indicated that reducing the speed for trucks didn’t necessarily reduce accidents.”

Mr. Greenleaf concedes he probably has a struggle ahead of him to get the lower speed limit for trucks enacted.

Good job interpreting the data Greenleaf. :rolleyes:

Jimmay - I think your right, its a stupid idea… but let me tell you… when I trucker stays in the left lane and does not let anyone pass them… it makes my blood boil…

I also cannot stand when there is a lane merge how one trucker will stay in the left lane and go slow and or stop next to another tractor trailer, so that noone can pass him… its bullshit… its not my fault im driving a car and can easily get by them. I think this is illegal… correct me if im wrong.

when I trucker stays in the left lane and does not let anyone pass them… it makes my blood boil…

I agree, but:

when ANYONE stays in the left lane and does not let anyone pass them… it makes my blood boil…

dude… i cannot fucking stand when people do that… granted, i hate when there is a merge point and some dickhead thinks they can just blow past everyone in the pull-off lane (hate that more) … but with all that bullshit blvd of the allies construction in pittsburgh… some jackoff trucker did that bullshit of blocking the left lane and going slow as hell, ultimately fucking up traffic more than it would be if people could GET TO the merge point to wait their turn…

i was so pissed but said fuck it… some Italian dude blew into oncoming traffic, passed him while spitting on the truck, then proceeded to brake check him to hell and back… lol… i’m glad my road rage is minor.

I agree if there is 2 lanes then the trucks should be limited to the right lane but if there are 3 lanes yeah the trucks can pass in the middle lane. I don’t like trucks either.

Were you with us when Victor got cut off in the Malibu and got in front of the guy futher down 51 then procdeeded to brake check the Semi andi t just plowed into him and kept pushing him? haha, were like 18 or something, I was to far ahead to see but they toldme after we stopped.

LOL

that’s hilarious… i remember that… i wasn’t in the car… i was when the exhaust fell off going up large hill though… :bowrofl: the malibu… :rofl:

Pretty ridiculous concept there.

I don’t think I’ve ever ran into a trucker on 28 that wasn’t a pure dick. I’ve been run off the road a few times by them. I think they don’t look when they’re changing lanes.