I made friendly advice to someone who didnt take it…
I am by no means a moto pro still have alot to learn!!! but from what I hear the safest smartest way to start is on a 250. and that someone going from no XP to a 600cc rocket is unsafe? need more ammo for my argument with this kid so no one ends up in a newspaper lol.
Let him make his own mistakes… Darwin will pay him a visit if he’s not carefull.
Thats what I should do!! but I hate to see people getting hurt from choices that could be better made, some people I wouldnt have a problem letting on a 600 for a first bike, they are amazingly smart and respect the bike, him, Im scared with him on a moped lol…
its all about the rider, doesnt matter if your bike will do 200 as long as the rider doesnt push the limits and run it to that. Hell be fine, but your a good friend for looking out for his best interests regaurdless 
Not true dave. Inexperience is inexperience. If you’re easy on the brakes and throttle you’ll be fine in 99% of situations but there may be that situation that fucks you on a super sport that you could have come out of no problem if you were on a more forgiving motorcycle.
A supersport does exactly what you tell it to. No more, no less. It doesn’t care if you tell it to kill you, it will do exactly that.
Here we go again…
I wouldnt go through the hastle of buying a 250 and then 3 months from now having to sell that 250 and upgrading for that 1%… I think hell be fine. If your an asshole on a 600 you can be an asshole on a 250… Hell, I sold my cbr900 and now have a klx250sf and am the biggest asshole ever on the road wheelieing down central ave and every other road. lol
Yepppp, ahhhhh. Just about that time to fire up the ol’ negger.
lmfao +rep hhahahaha
you did the right thing and told him. now its up to him whether or not he wants to listen. hopefully he will at least respect the 600 a bit more now that you told him its a risky first bike.
If he get’s a 600 and uses common sense and understands he isn’t fast, special or untouchable he’ll be fine. What get’s so many people here hurt or killed is their ego. Riding outside of the comfort zone & riding ability is a HARSH mistress who will butt fuck you in a heart beat.
Problem with learning on a bigger bike is they don’t accept mistakes as generously as smaller bikes. If you twist the throttle a bit too much on a 600, well … good luck with that.
If you twist the throttle too much on a 250 … Hey look, I’m keeping up with a Prius! (over exaggerating, but you get my point)
It’s not just twisting the throttle, it’s all about clutch control, rolling on the throttle in a turn, braking…etc
I learned on a literbike! lol That was an experience. Wheelied a few times unexpectedly. I was lucky to learn riding well on it, and not die. Got a 600cc, and loved the experience. Rode a 250cc during the Motorcycle Training Course and LOVED it. Then it’s been back and forth between literbikes and supersports.
Let the guy make his own mistakes, but, not many people can ride a 250cc to its limits. I know I can’t. I recommend 250 Ninjas or CBRs to people all the time. They are really great learner bikes, and still fun to ride. Just twist the throttle and have a blast.
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It’s not about being an asshole though dave, it’s just about fucking up and panicking in a way that a SS will ruin your day and a smaller bike won’t.
Been riding for five years… never owned anything smaller than a 600, tide a liter now…looking for a 250.
Yea the kid dont really respect anything, blowing up every car he comes in contact with, aint no burden to me seeing as he isnt a close friend or anything, Just dont wanna see people get hurt over stupid shit, Like i previously stated there are tons of people I would give the keys to a 600cc bike with 0 XP that you can tell will accuttly respect it 100 %, I give this kid 1hr…
I just don’t want my insurance rates going up.
good point I like my 120 a year lol
A bike is only as fast as your wrist makes it
It’s not all about the rider, bike is a major factor in the equation. Why would somebody want a fast bike if he wasn’t going to ride it fast?
Being an asshole is an entirely different argument. We are talking about difficult to operate bikes vs not.
If you’re upgrading after you’re “bored” on a 250 obviously turns aren’t your concern and a straight line speed is. Another good reason for somebody to not have a fast bike as a learners bike.
It’s not just their ago, it’s lack of experience in operating the machine they are on, evasive maneuvers, not knowing how low the bike can go after entering fast into a turn and crashing by going wide etc…
[quote=GenPatton;968097]Problem with learning on a bigger bike is they don’t accept mistakes as generously as smaller bikes. If you twist the throttle a bit too much on a 600, well … good luck with that.
If you twist the throttle too much on a 250 … Hey look, I’m keeping up with a Prius! (over exaggerating, but you get my point)
It’s not just twisting the throttle, it’s all about clutch control, rolling on the throttle in a turn, braking…etc
I learned on a literbike! lol That was an experience. Wheelied a few times unexpectedly. I was lucky to learn riding well on it, and not die. Got a 600cc, and loved the experience. Rode a 250cc during the Motorcycle Training Course and LOVED it. Then it’s been back and forth between literbikes and supersports.
Let the guy make his own mistakes, but, not many people can ride a 250cc to its limits. I know I can’t. I recommend 250 Ninjas or CBRs to people all the time. They are really great learner bikes, and still fun to ride. Just twist the throttle and have a blast.[/quote]
Exactly.
250 won’t go 150mph no matter how much your wrist can try…
It’s not just the throttle you have to worry about, even though that alone can get you in trouble quick. It’s the unforgiving brakes and the stiff suspension which is made for flat tracks not real life world roads with cracks and bumps. I’ve had a friend crash at 35 mph on Wash ave and slide into a car requiring a pin connecting his leg just because of a crack in the road (600RR) and another that nearly lost it on last weekend ride on a 675 when a crack made him go off road.
This is what happens when you mash you brakes with no experience (also this Sunday)
Hard to tell but lever broken, clutch cover, mirror, blinker gone and fairings scratched up etc.
Don't forget that failvis went down in a panic stop as well and crashed his bike.http://shift518.com/showthread.php?t=171&highlight=lamp
i hit the rear brake and grab the front brake and the bike proceeds to flip, ejecting me off the front. i landed helmet first and the bike lands on top of me sliding to a stop just before the car.
The problem isn’t the 99% of riding, it’s that 1% when you run out of skill and can’t handle your car.
Think about it, inexperienced CAR drivers aren’t the problem on nice sunny days, they are a problem when they need to panic stop/avoid the accident or on the first snowfall…
Anywho, getting back to your friend you won’t make him change his mind and the reason why is very simple.
He doesn’t want to ride, he wants to have a bike, and he’s got a very specific bike in mind - supersport of sorts. You telling him he can be a better rider on a smaller bike doesn’t register because then there is no point because what he wants is a bike.
On a final note, to anybody arguing against small bikes your point is moot. You are never worse off learning or even having a small bike and there is plenty of evidence that it’s more dangerous to learn on a race bread machine (go figure) :ponder
Very well put man!!! I like how you came with all info ready for this one!
