I am all for wanting change and I agree that a lot of things in this thread are spot on… but ARMED REVOLT??? Think about that. People shooting at each other in the streets…? Half the people in this country can’t even fucking SPELL and you want them making decisions about who to KILL?
I bet SO MUCH good would come from that.
Too much Call of Duty…
Anyone tht dsagre wth u on dis shld b on da shoot em list.
Honestly, it won’t come to everyone shooting everyone.
It’ll start by a forceful overthrow in D.C. then spill out and the confusion/engagements will spread.
It’s not like some small bumfuck town in Kentucky is going to just wake up and be like, “SHOOT DEM DER PEEPS!”
I’d rather it just happen peacefully, but that’s impossible. We’ve become such a politically correct culture, we think everything can just be “fixed” without conflict.
Yeah theres been some good things said here.
I feel bad for going there too often but because its been touched on, what would it take to get several more viable political parties all up in hea? Why is a country full of so many different people with so many different backgrounds and views only represented by two (sometimes seemingly) black and white parties? I mean dont so many of these issues derive from people feeling the need to put full support into their party to help sway the power one way.
The idea of revolution just seems a little silly on one issue when the system is so broken all around.
the day that there is an armed revolt against the government is the day that the government declares martial law and we as citizens lose every single right that we might have left.
the real question here is how long will it be before josh decides to move this thread to politisuck for it to die like all the other popular gun/political related topics?
with how tapped into us the government is, i would think that anyone that is armed, to keep quiet about your arms. me personally, i am also moving more towards a “homestead” way of life to become less dependent on grocery stores, utilities, etc. any little bit will help and when things do eventually get worse, ill be further ahead.
^^^ I could never do it, but the idea of being almost completely self sustainable is really fucking cool. I have some die hard conservative friends who are giving it a try up at their cabin ( potentially for the future) and I’m a little jealous.
Don’t confuse me saying it could happen with saying I’d like to see it happen. It would be a giant mess that would take decades to repair if it ever did happen.
When I see states passing laws that tell the federal government they have no standing there and the simple enforcement of a government law is a criminal act at the same time a federal government used the FBI and DHS to lock an entire Boston suburb down under marshal law… well it’s not hard to see a situation arising where state citizens get in a standoff with federal agents. One poor decision to open fire from either side is how revolutions start. The partisan divide is building a tinderbox of mistrust and contempt against the federal bureaucracy. When state governments then rally people behind that contempt instead of trying to calm it you get a situation where even a small spark of conflict could cause the whole thing to go up in flames.
What I really, really, really, really, really want will never happen, amicable separation. I have posted this article before…
THIS!!! ( Yeah, I am thising my own post 
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I blame it on the rap music! The guns and drug dealers on welfare!
Ban the internet…but leave NYSpeed =)
ok carry on
Thank you for saving me 10 minutes of typing.
this.
also- US civil War II…not gunna happen
I think everyone is too lazy or too busy to follow through on a revolution. Most people talk tough online and such but when it comes time to actually do something, the successful people have all kinds of other shit going on and the rest don’t care enough. There are people I know who shared political pictures for months before the election on Facebook but didn’t actually vote, and how hard is that? I think the revolution talk is the equivalent of posting “thoughts and prayers” for whatever the tragedy of the month is on your status, then carrying right back on with your day. Taking on the US Government would require an organized, well-connected movement with effective leadership and ability to get people on board without use of traditional media tools. Ain’t nobody got time fo dat, and those who do don’t want to bite the hand that feeds.
You guys do realize the Revolutionary War and the Civil War were two different things right?
No matter how much the left and right disagree I can’t see there ever being another civil war in the US. Maybe if a big enough financial collapse happened but even then I don’t see it turning into citizen versus citizen.
Now the government pushing the people too far and some large scale protest turning violent and escalating out of control. That’s something I could see happening in the next few years, especially if the federal government is ever able to force through really restrictive gun control similar to what passed in NY.
i beg to differ… the successful people are the ones who figured out the system and know how to “play the game”… The ones who are smart enough not to drink the kool-aid and able to add 1+1 are able to see the system for what it is, and how to manipulate it to get where/what you want out of it. I’m not talking the welfare crew here, I’m talking the business owners, the people who are making $$ regardless of what is going on… It’s like going to vegas without knowing how to play blackjack Vs someone who is good and knows how to count cards going there… Guess who’s going to loose their ass, and who’s going to walk away loaded (as long as they don’t fuck up and let people know they know how to play the system).
Your post supports exactly what I was saying earlier… generational motivations + decline in education = a society of easily manipulated drones… Feeds right into the discussion about finding good people to work…
Yep. The bourgeoisie, so to speak, are the ones with the resources to make something like this happen, but they are the ones that wouldn’t rock the boat because they’re making a killing how it is now. And the rest, like i said, are either too busy trying to make their monthly nut or too apathetic.
If GE, ExxonMobil, etc. came out in support of a protest things could get interesting, but why would they? They don’t even pay taxes.
OK I’m here.
#1. Armed revolt is not possible in this country. We have the largest military this planet has ever seen by a massive ammount. Any serious uprising will be snuffed out faster than you can say “Does that sound like a tank to you?”
#2. Can anybody name a recent fully developed-ish country that went through a revolution recently that we could look to as a case study? Hint: It rhymes with Smegypt. Yeah. Something to the effect of the military keeping the peace and facilitating the transition of power.
#3. What do we have the Egypt didn’t? A law that says if 2/3’s of the state legislatures call for it, a congress must call a constitutional convention.
So what’s the problem with #3? It’s the very nature of the problem that is causing this very discussion. We are quickly becoming a lawless nation.
We have figured out that words on paper have no power and our leaders have chosen to simply ignore the law so that achieving their own ambitions is more convenient. We don’t follow the constitution anymore. At all. It’s dead. The supreme court doesn’t defend it anymore, they’re just federal puppets. The states are actually starting to stand up, but they’ve got a long fight ahead of them.
Gun control is a brutally simple example. The supreme law of the land states that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The language is very simple. Disagree with it? That’s fine. We have a legal process for fixing laws that aren’t right. You have two choices: Follow the law and ammend the constitution to allow for restrictions on gun ownership, or break the law and infringe on the right to keep and bear arms. Our leaders chose to break the law because it was more convenient than following the law for them to achieve their ambition for gun regulation.
It pervades every level of our society. How about a local example of written law being disregarded? We’ll stick with gun control. Did you read the SAFE act? The part about taking guns away for mental health reasons is an ammendment to a sub-section of law concerning people under hospitalized care for mental health. Yeah, for NYS to take your guns because you are mentally unfit the first requirement is that you are in the hospital for mental health care. Remember that guy that accidentally got his guns taken away for being on an SSRI last month? Everyone was pissed that they got the wrong guy. Nobody even mentioned, much less cared, that he was not subject to that part of the law in any way shape or form. The police were waaaay outside of the law, but nobody cared about that. We’re used to laws not being enforced. Whatever, the government thugs do what they want. Laws are just guidelines.
How about when the LA police force went on a shooting rampage and ultimately burned Chris Dorner alive inside a cabin. Due process? Fuck that he’s a cop killer! Probably! We’re pretty sure! Cop killers don’t deserve trials and we all agree he’s a cop killer! We want blood! What happened then? Nothing. We moved on. That’s just how it works in this lawless country, and we’re so used to it that we just accept it.
Power brokers make the rules regardless of legal bounds now. Corporations make the rules. Did you know you that a proposed law requiring genetically engineered food to be labeled as such didn’t pass, but a law saying that if the genetically engineered food that you had no way of knowing you were eating makes you sick, you can’t hold the food maker responsible did pass? That was this year. This isn’t capitalism. It’s corporatism.
A new constitution would probably bring about in the minds of the citizens a renewed enthusiasm for the rule of law. Our own insistence that we all follow the same laws is the only power that words on paper has. Eventually this systematic and organized anarchy (yes, really) will get bad enough that we will want to go back to a civilized lawful society, even if getting our way is harder. Probably won’t be in our lifetimes though. It’s got to get a lot worse before we would rather change the forms to which we are accustomed to than continue to suffer.
When the Illuminati want us to take up arms they will start this, nothing happens without their direction. 
You guys both have it dead on.
And JayS, I think you’re mostly right but when you say citizen v citizen, I wouldn’t rule out a minor race war in our lifetime. Sometimes I look at cultures who need to coexist and wonder how there already hasn’t been a major one.
Wow, that was a bigger wall of text than I thought. Sorry. Cliffs:
Army too big, kill us all.
Bribe army with candy.
Army says “Hey make some laws and stick to them or I’ll shoot you!”
1789 all over again.
Slide into apathy again over a few hundred years.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Cliff notes:
Too bad, so sad.