This thread still going eh? :noes:
You missed a lot, thanks for playing.
and you’re an ass for skipping the last few pages, and not reading what newman and i were talking about in the first place.
thanks for sucking at the internet.
You blow my mind… You just go around and around with this.
I’m happy that you show your narrow mindedness. It just shows your lack of knowledge on other makes of cars…
And Newman. For me to go stand alone would be a huge mess and would take me places I did not want to go with this car. First off the car is drve by wire. So I would have to switch that out, along with a few other things. It’s not a easy project on these cars. So After doing all that work what would be the point of going with a gt28 turbo, I might as well bump it up to a minimum of the gt28rs. Which is going to bump up my horse power 2.5 time over stock. Which in turn means I’m going to have to build up the internals of the motor. I just did not see any point in going down that road with this car…
And thanks for inviting me to lunch Jeller. I was just going to invite you guys over for some Easy Mac and to watch a little Fast and Furious…
Next time I am out that way I will be sure to stop, we can do lunch, I need to look for a new board for this season also, soon.
You’re an asshat, thanks for sucking at arguments in general.:shoot:
I read the rest of the thread and my post stands.
Here, let’s have a bet, we’ll both start on friday afternoon. I’ll throw a stage 3+ kit with intercooler in. You can make your kit out of fairy dust or whatever your perferred method is. After I finish, you wills start accumulating cost to the tune of $100/hr, super fair rate for my time, or any custom development stuff you wanted to do. When you get your car completed in about 6 months after I do, we’ll compare budgets.
Sure you scoured ebay for a month to save $100. Sure you saved $2000 on your out of pocket money by fabbing up your own stuff. Etc etc etc.
But you know what? The whole time you were sitting in the garage with your hands on your nuts getting your shit to even run, let alone tuned, I’ve been banging my girl and drinking brews.
You know why most Audi people don’t mind paying $5000 for a turbo kit? Because they paid $35,000 for a new car, not $5,000 for a used 100k mile hatch. Just like some people spend $400k on a Ferrari.
Just because you are too ignorant doesn’t mean you have to sit here and bash it till the world ends, and yes, you are being plenty fucking ignorant.
There are plenty of people that would rather drive a quick luxury car, than a fast gutted honda, and I for one am one of them. There are different people with different tastes and different goals with their cars.
You want to swing dicks and say that Audi owners aren’t enthusiasts? I sure as shit have been to a lot more track days with a lot more Audis than hondas. Shit, I don’t know that I’ve seen more than 5 that weren’t Type Rs.
And to call the euro crowd a bunch of ricers when you sit in the honda camp is about as laughable as it gets. There is probably a higher percentage of riced out Hondas out there in this world than any other make.
Who fucking cares. A honda is a reliable econo car. An audi is an entry level luxo-sedan. Get the fuck over it. You could make a 300MPH pile of crap with enough money or time, but who the hell cares?
This argument is so ridiculous it’s amazing. There is ALWAYS something out there that is faster and cheaper. ALWAYS. Who the eff cares? Do what you want. If that’s spending $10k on a kit that bolts on and goes for 50k miles w/out having to open the hood, then good for you. If that’s spending $5k but not driving your car for an entire season because you are building it up, then good for you too.
Oh, and congrats again. I was one that said this would take forever and a day, glad it finally came. Should be nice when you put it on the dyno. Driving it will be nuts. I’ve driven a few S3 cars and they are just fun.
Jesus christ, Walter, what the fuck are you trying to say? This whole arguement started because the kit of choice is an overpriced POS. You get get better parts made dirt cheap and they will perform better than your Stage 8983522352342521352 which promises 250whp, WAHOO!!
You are now pulling this “well, it doesn’t matter how shitty the kit is an how much it costs, It’s VW, Audi, German engineering and it is far superior to teh Honda ricerz!!” Fucking please, spare your elitest “I drive better shit than you!!” fucking mentality.
Here is a tip for you, why do you think you see the Audi people at track days more than Honda people? BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE LOTS OF FUCKING MONEY!!
If you want to pay top dollar for shit parts, by all means, go for it…
Yea, you pretty much have to rip out a lot of stuff and loose quite a bit of functionality. Hell, even swapping clusters is a pain in the ass in these cars. Not tuner friendly by any stretch of the imagination.
I imagine now that the A4s are starting to get lower in the price point, they will start to get in to younger and more ambitious peoples hands who are more willing to work the hours in the garage and do stuff themselves. Probably be some stuff that comes out eventually that allows for more flexibility and easier tuning.
You’ve still managed to miss the entire direction of this thread and word count will not make up for that.
Here is a tip for you, LEARN TO FUCKING READ.
you have just shown that you still havent read this whole thread
let me highlight some things that were said
there was some more discussion about what was actually included, and then the actutal cost came out, and how/where the kit could be improved upon.
there was some ball busting, and then the retards who cant read past the first page chimmed in to add 2 pages of crap while the rest of the world was sleeping.
then even zwarbutt and some others agreed that the kit seems over priced, yet people like you are still trying to justify the price.
jeller, newman, and i talked a bit about some different emsessesssesss
i then posted my disclaimer agian so people wouldnt get butt hurt (apparenlty that didnt work), and then you came in making a fool of yourself.
thanks, we apprecitate it
You obviously didn’t read the post. Witty replies will not make up for your lack of reading comprehension.
theres the black calling the kettle pot
Here is what I got out of your post…
BLAH BLAH BLAH You guys are fucking honda biters…
BLAH BLAH BLAH Audi rules your world
And then the most sensible thing you said was that who cares what you drive and what your preference was. That is commendable but the rest of it is based on you thinking we are trashing Audi when it’s was ALL about the stupid overpriced “Stage 898990” kit… :shoot:
Witty replies? In reference to my post? That wasn’t wit, that was a PSA. Would You like the acronym spelled out? It’s been shown that You have trouble reading these forums.
it amazes me that only a handful of people are actually getting what was being talked about.
No, I read all of that yesterday. I know what went on. I also never tried to justify the price.
You guys continued to bicker about it, and say that it’s $2000 worth of parts, yet really haven’t proven anything.
It’ll be a nice wakeup when you get into industry and realize how much things cost and how poor of an argument that is.
Even if it was $2000 worth of parts, a GP of just over 50% is shitty. Hell, we won’t sell anything with a GP of 50%, and have some products with GPs as high as 90%.
APR is not a charity, it’s not there to give stuff away. They have overhead, they have R&D costs, and they have every right to charge as much as the market will support.
Many people would rather pay $5000 for a proven, reliable, reputable kit than pay $2000 for a joes turbo shack pie cut special that makes more power that they had to do on their own.
Time value of money. There are plenty of people out there who are just as much an ehtusiast as you, but would rather spend their time driving, than troubleshooting. It doesn’t mean either one is right, or more or less of an enthusiast than the other. Just like it doesn’t really matter if you like tits or ass.
Is it worth an extra $2000 over the price of the parts for the expertise, the ability to drop it in one weekend and not worry about it, and the ability to send it back when something breaks worth it to you? Maybe not, but it is to me.
yes, there are ways to make more power, but you know what? you can’t do it for less than he paid for it. and quite frankly, until you DO IT to a VAG car all you are is just another internet bench racer.
everyone should know by now that everyone “can build a car in the 12s” on paper.
Its obvious you didn’t read it
I NEVER ANYWHERE SAID AUDI > HONDA and have been directing my comments at EVERYONE in regards to the fact that it’s stupid as hell to get in some :gayfight: about what’s better.
And your argument that it’s overpriced doesn’t hold that much water, and you fail to see that. When you buy stuff like this, that’s not some mass produced tshirt made by children in china, most of what you are paying for isn’t the parts.
Until you show me that they are charging you $4000 for the R&D then it doesn’t really matter. If it was so cheap, and so easy to do, someone would have done it by now. You aren’t the first people to ever notice that $4500 is more than you’d pay for a turbo kit for other applications.
this is true, and i dont think anyone will argue that. i know i would be hyped like whoa if i won some shit like that; however, i was also the kid that took all his tonka trucks apart and made them better… i would do the same with that.
if we didnt do things like that, this forum would be NYSewing.com because we would all be driving stock cavies.
not necessecarily, there are different ways to go about it.
I’m sure all of us would love to sit in our garage with a full machine shop and build race cars all day but most of us can’t. Not always for lack of skill, or lack of desire, but usually many other reasons. Time, praticality.
And I have never said there wasn’t anything impressive about the masses of people that build fast cars in their garages on their own for cheap. I love to see people do the fab and come up with different ways of doing stuff. Doesn’t mean I’d drive one, but it doesn’t mean I’m going to say that it’s crap just because it’s not the way I’d do it.
I’ve done my fair share of installing stand alone systems and fabbing parts at 3am to make shit run, but just because someone doesn’t do that doesn’t mean it’s :gay:.
:shrug:
Besides, we have no idea if he’s in school and has no cash, or delivers pizzas and needs the car every day. So circle jerking about what we’d do if we were in his shoes when all he originally wanted to do was post about some free shit he got that’s going to make his car a heck of a lot faster than it was is pretty :gay: on all of our parts.