Arrow Enterprises-Concrete Surfacing and Overlays

Edited 3/24/2013:
(Moved this to it’s own post as I think it’s something I want to keep separate from my general update post. Also forgot to answer some earlier questions.)

To answer some earlier questions:

1. This is not like concrete, it is concrete, simply much finer with polymers added for strength.
2. It can be “stamped” to a particular pattern if desired but most applications lend themselves to creating a desired look in other ways. Stamping is more for new concrete pours. In certain applications, stencils or stamps would only aid in the replication of a pattern for a time saving on larger projects. Can me made smooth or any variation of a texture you can create.
3. Projects involving “depth” or “dimension” like faux stone or landscaping require a different product to achieve the “thickness”. I may or may not consider working with this similar product in the future.
4. I am considering the warranty aspect of this right now. Exterior applications I am planning on (2) years and interior applications (5) years. This may change a little as I move forward. I have seen exterior applications installed by the local rep. that are still intact and look just fine. Just like traditional concrete, you need to seal it to maintain it’s integrity.

Original Post below:

OK boys and girls, here we go. I am now officially certified and licensed to install I Coat decorative concrete overlay products. There’s a lot of information I was downloaded on this week, so I will try to be brief, descriptive, and informational as possible.

I was introduced to two different product applications from the same company. Two major categories: Flooring and Countertops. I will be going back to be trained for epoxy floor coating systems for those who want something with a smooth, non-textured application.

Flooring and Vertical Surfaces

-Interior and exterior applications.
-Floors, shower and tub walls (any wall for that matter), garage floors, basement floors, sun rooms, pool decks, patios, driveways, walkways, concrete steps, etc.
Commercial and Residential.
-Can be applied directly to new or existing concrete.
-Can be applied over linoleum, vinyl, hardwood, tile, and new subflooring.
-Can be applied directly over existing bath and shower tile (as long as it is sound). Creates a monolithic surface that is easy to clean and maintain.
Benefits:
-No need to remove existing surface as long as it is sound. Some existing damage can be repaired to make surfaces usable, depending on the extent of damage and end result desired.
-Limited disturbance of surroundings. Example: A driveway would need to be removed and re-installed. Heavy equipment will be used, grass will need to be repaired and re-seeded at edges.
-Concrete patios at rear of structures can be difficult to access with equipment needed for concrete. Some structures may be surrounded by concrete and make it difficult to remove and replace. Re-surfacing does not encounter these problems.
-Quick turn around. Can be walked and driven upon in a few days. New concrete needs to cure for a number of days prior to vehicle traffic.
-Completely repairable.
-Seals just like traditional concrete and exterior maintenance is required to maintain overall integrity.

Countertops

-Can be applied directly over new countertops, or a newly fabricated substrate for a remodel or “new build” application.
-Can also be used for wall caps, transition strips, table tops, mantles, etc.
-Can be fabricated off site (in a new build situation) and installed like a traditional countertop (size is only limitation, i.e.: being able to bring in a large top from the exterior to the final installation location).
Benefits:
-Do not need to remove existing countertop, wait for new to be fabricated and installed. Typical re-surfacing takes 2-3 days. Most existing sinks can be re-used if desired.
-Seamless application. Since the product is applied from components and not pre-determined material sizes, countertops can be completed with NO seams.
-Durable epoxy hardened finish. Choice of matte or high gloss.

With both of these products, the design possibilities are limitless. Flooring patterns are created to any size, shape, and pattern desired since we start with a “blank canvas” and create our own patterns and colors. Flooring can be applied in a tile pattern in ANY size, pattern, shape desired. Random stone (flagstone, slate patterns, etc.) are easily produced. Color choices are all custom. Tiles and grout can be all one color, two colors, ten, colors, your choice. All color sessions can be adjusted (within limits) prior to sealing of the system.

Countertops can be created with any edge detail you desire. Color choices are limitless and the customer actually works side by side with the installer to custom tailor the textures, colors, and patterns to their individual taste. I was trained to use dispersions, fine and large Mica flec, acrylic effects, and other tricks to produce various designs and looks.

No two installations are completely identical since they are custom made. We can closely replicate almost any existing traditional product. The flooring product is ideal for “rental” applications as it can be used to replace wearable products such a linoleum or carpeting and reduce maintenance on floor tile and grout.

Flooring

Base Coat applied


Pattern Embeded, Surface texture applied

Ready for color

Colored and sealed

Countertops

Multi layer base surfacing applied and edge textured


Color, pattern, accents applied. Epoxy sealed.


Some other samples from the supplier:

None of these photo’s do the samples justice. I added various Mica fleck colors to all three countertop samples and the camera just doesn’t pick them up. These are all samples I did and by no means a copy of something in particular. Just using some artistic license. I have the flooring samples but will go back to pick up the countertop samples this week as they had not yet cured.

I have not been this excited about a product in quite some time. Most of the product innovations we have implemented to this point are in the category of “substrates” where they are designed to improve performance of the finished product. This system finally allows us to explore uncharted territory in design creativity. I offered the instructor numerous ideas on how I might create new designs and looks and his response was “if it works and the customer likes it, go for it. Your imagination is your limitation.”

For those of you who had inquired about driveways, patios, and the like…I’m glad I asked you to wait until I got past this. I can now honestly and intelligently offer you an alternative to a problem for your surfacing.

Is this product a solution to all problems, no. Is it a solution to many…yes. As far as pricing goes, like any other product it is a combination of labor and materials. I am just working through the details of material pricing with the supplier, as well as getting a feel for the installation aspect. As always, I will be happy to meet and produce an estimate for anything, but no two are the same and I will price them accordingly. For those of you interested, take advantage of my noobness and let’s discuss a project that would benefit from the usage of this system.

Also, if you have been thinking about a project and have said “I want a floor, countertop, etc. but I want it to look like ____________”, please let me know and I’ll see if I can create it and produce a sample.

Awesome.

Hypothetically, if you have a 20 year old concrete patio in “okay” shape. (Solid, but there are 1/4" cracks, nothing major) Is this something that can be applied and hide those?

I’m extremely interested for my patio application. Its roughly 20’x18’. Can you PM me a “rough” estimate? I’m not looking for exact. Just whether it’s $500, $1500, $2500, $5000 or even more. Thanks.

I am going to be dealing with a similar situation for my driveway (which will be covered in this product). This scenario was posed by me to the instructor. Any current damage can be repaired prior to the surfacing. Since most concrete has cracks to one extent or the other, you would not normally rip it out because of those cracks. The integrity of the surface is still there. These are not a problem. When you encounter cracks where the “level” or “elevation” has changed, then you have movement which has already cracked the concrete and would more than likely crack the new surface as well. Spalling can also be repaired prior to surfacing. Once the repair is done, the concrete would get a power wash and checked for any signs of oils and such which would affect the bond. I will not provide any guarantee to anyone on regards to cracking on exterior applications. Most concrete installers will not as well, as in my experience, cracks will develop in almost any applicatoin. The surfacing concrete has polymers added to them, but that will only go so far.

With regard to pricing, let me know what sort of pattern size (12 x 12, 16 x 16, brick pattern, accent borders, etc.) you might like so I can get a ballpark idea on what the labor side of it would be for me to create it. The materials, with the exception of colorants, shouldn’t be too hard to work up. Some pics of the concrete might also be helpful. Thanks.

I have those countertops in my house…simply awesome.

Def going to do this treatment in my garage.

Looks amazing, Andy.

Thanks. You kindof got me started on this, on the inside and out. Just wish I knew about it sooner.

We were mildly involved with one of the bath remodel projects for the annual decorators showhouse sponsored every year by the Junior League of Buffalo (http://www.jlbuffalo.org/) through Visionary Baths in Orchard Park. After seeing the countertop samples I brought them, they’re ditching their original idea for a granite vanity top and I’m now supplying a custom made top tailored to their color pallette being used for their project bath. Wondering if anyone’s planning on going to the show. Actually pretty cool to see some of the designer’s ideas…most of the time.

Got bumped out of the countertop project for the showhouse. Guess the granite company owner is on the board and it wasn’t exactly a good political move for my bath supplier / designer. Oh well.

In other news, in my introduction post I stated that we do not typically provide “ballpark” or “square foot” pricing for any of our work. I have had some members contact me for information in regards to our new surfacing products and asking for estimates, some without evening providing the size of the area we are working on. I am always happy to take the time to meet with anyone to review a potential project and provide a written estimate. There are too many variables, in any project, to provide costs based on photo’s, square footages, etc. Please, if you want me to look at something, do not ask for ballparks. If you’re not sure if something is going to be priced out of your budget, ask me to come and take a look and I will. Thanks for the interest.

Did another bath this week and was going to ditch the old top but decided to fool around with it. It was a nothing special, just a cultered top with a 4" spread faucet. Had some spider cracking near the drain.




Apologies for the pics. I’m starting to notice my phone takes weird color pictures. Had my fun with it so if anyone wants it, make me a reasonable offer. TgankshThanks.

Came out great!

Thanks man. I seem to be falling into one color scheme I like so I’m going to have to try something different. Mica flecs don’t show much in the pics again. Used red and a silver grey.

What would an approximate cost to have one done if the top was supplied? Lot of destroy it yourselfers that given a reasonable cost, this may be a nice option.

For the one I pictured, let’s say $ 275.00, ballpark. You could use the lowest cost top you could find as the quality really makes no difference. The one I did above, I’d ask $ 275.00 as the time I had invested was pretty high and the materials are not overly priced, but not terribly cheap either. If I were doing these in groups, the price would drop.

Come do my bar, its got a hinged top.

I want a darker color

thats pretty cool

Just wrapped up our first official concrete overlay project. The customer leased out the upper floor of her business to a tattoo artist and the carpeting was a no no for a tattoo parlor so our product fit the bill nicely. No waiting for special order tile to come in, no broken tile, no out of stock grout, and unlimited pattern and color options. We decided to keep the two rooms similar in color, but different in pattern. Since we create the “tile” sizes, we customized them to the shape and dimensions of the room. Just going to add the show moulding on Monday and it’s ready to move in.

Decided to use our crack suppression membrane prior to base coat but on the long run, it wasn’t really worth the effort. Will do a little differently next time.

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Base coat, top coat, and pattern complete. Ready for color.

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Color and sealer applied.

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Reverse angle.

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Smaller room prior to sealer.

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Other room after sealer.

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Looks awesome!

Thanks. Can use this inside and outside. Kitchens, basements, living rooms, garages, patios, pool decks, etc.

awesome, as far as the recovering porcelain goes, how do you think it will hold up to water and soap, ect. Bathroom sink only or do you think a kitchen sink or tub might be possible?

I would say no to sinks and tubs. I’d have to check with my supplier but it’s not a mirror finish (except on countertops). In an ove tile application it is fine. It gets sealed with what is basically a concrete sealer to I would have to say it’s going to be pretty durable. Single sealed finish so no grout joints. I did that pre-fabbed sink top and I tjought it came out pretty well but that’s an epoxy sealed product so it finishes a little different.