may 1986
You could almost fit a TSX in the trunk of a Charger.
But looking at that TSX, it’s a great example. It’s not really “fast” by any stretch of the imagination. It’s pretty small as well, and relatively lightweight for a modern car. It still doesn’t meet the new EPA mileage requirements. You can’t make it much smaller and still be a reasonable family sedan, most of the weight is in safety, so your only option is less power. Or, as Lutz said, the other option is lots of money added on to the price to add a fancy hybrid drive system.
They are comparable as far as safety, storage space, price points, etc… so why is it 500lbs lighter?
I’m not suggesting that all MPG gains will be had by reducing weight, but its a great starting point.
Family DD sedans do not need 14" brakes anymore then Dodge pickups need 20" wheels OEM.
I understand these are selling points for consumers, which is where the majority of this problem starts.
But looking at that TSX, it’s a great example. It’s not really “fast” by any stretch of the imagination. It’s pretty small as well, and relatively lightweight for a modern car. It still doesn’t meet the new EPA mileage requirements. You can’t make it much smaller and still be a reasonable family sedan, most of the weight is in safety, so your only option is less power. Or, as Lutz said, the other option is lots of money added on to the price to add a fancy hybrid drive system.
true. but this is where the fleet average steps in…
How many Fits & base Civics will Honda sell to offset the “failing” TSX…?
TSX, 91 CU/FT interior volume
Charger, 104 CU/FT interior volume
13 CU/FT means they aren’t the same class. One small, one large.
But anyway…
The fleet average will be killed by the fact that now trucks and cars will be held to the same 35mpg standard. You make get the wannbe’s out of the their pickups and SUV’s, but there are still a lot of real workers who will be buying them. Not to mention that even the current Civic doesn’t even get 35, so I doubt it will be getting a whole lot over 35 to pull up the average.
A pretty unbiased look at it from a magazine that clearly has the technical background to understand what’s really involved:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4218266.html
word. im the 13th, u?
I need to renew my PopMech… only have PopSci currently.
Your numbers are wrong: http://www.kbb.com/KBB/NewCars/Specifications.aspx?SelectedTabIndex=0&ManufacturerId=2&YearId=2008&VehicleClass=NewCar&Path=Pricing&VehicleId=196436&ModelId=6 EPA Total Interior 104.2 cu.ft.
vs.
http://www.kbb.com/KBB/NewCars/Specifications.aspx?VehicleId=196565&ManufacturerId=13&VehicleClass=NewCar&ModelId=76&SelectedTabIndex=1&YearId=2008
EPA Total Interior 120.2 cu.ft.
You do realize that a space 2’ x 2’ x 2’ is a whopping 16 cu ft… thats 2 or 3 bags of groceries… not a couple of suitcases.
Adding a 2x2x2 cube to the INTERIOR of a car actually makes it quite a bit bigger.
As long as we’re comparing apples an oranges, at leave give both of them automatics. The auto TSX goes 3345.
Face it man, the Charger is just a bigger car. Go look at the interior/exterior dimensions at acura.com and dodge.com. The dodge is bigger in almost every single one.
And BTW, right from Acura.com and Dodge.com…
Dodge Passenger Interior Volume [ft3] 104.0 cu ft
Acura EPA Passenger Volume 90.9. cu ft
And yes, you need to renew popular mechanics. One of the few unbiased mags that actually reports on the environmental/political stories. I even got the link for you. Two years for $18:
https://subscribe.hearstmags.com/subscribe/splits/popularmechanics/pop_site_topnav
lol, sorry. those were the first two I could think of.
I’ll come back later with a pair in the same range 
Sorry :redface:
I’ll give you a hint. When you’re looking for your pig example, check out the specs on the size/weight of the GTO. I’m still expecting to find some big lead bricks somewhere in this car.
I didn’t want to strike so close to home. meh.
But yes, I drove one last summer, WTF man??
But that’s because it wasn’t designed as a LHD vehicle with US specs in mind from the get-go (like the current Commodore) - otherwise, why put the gas tank in the trunk with a 20-pound cage around it?
And besides - everyone’s forgetting that the 35-mpg standard is just for now. Most pundits are predicting that California (and 15 other states) will win the 40-44 mpg standard by 2020 in the courts vs. the EPA.
Look behind your wheels or God forbid your rear break rotors. There’s a few right there.
But I totally love this car. Me want me want!!!@
man made gas crunch YAYYYYYYYYYY
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Ahem,That’s 190 Crank HP not RW.prob like 150 or so rear.
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