Why would I not want to run r-compound tires? I am not planing on it as of now but why couldn’t I?
On R-Comps you go faster, and need to do more braking. With more traction your brakes can do more work (therefore need higher limit hardware).
Every car/setup/driver has different needs of course, but your car is almost the same weight, hp and brake rotor size as my 06 sti was. HP+ pads lasted about 1 - 1/2 laps at WGI for me on the front (boiled super blue too…). WGI is not a brake intensive course. With R-Comps came the need for DTC-70’s.
I’m sure 20 people will argue with me, but it’s all about your goals. If you want to tool around on R-comps, HP+ pads, or the equivalent will be fine. If you’re actually pushing a >3000 lb car with >350 hp on 12" un-cooled rotors you’ll need better than stock size hardware and HP+ pads.
Motul’s boiling point is less than 70 degrees higher for over double the cost. A complete waste. You know you had other cooling issues and pad issues Mike 
But I’m also a guy who calls Blacks a street pad 
I could go on for hours on why R Comps are a bad idea for your first 2-4 seasons.
If you want to take a street car to the track the only right answer is to buy a set of rotors, and race pads (NOT that HP shit) and bed them in on the street. Keep everything in a matched set and put on what ever you want for street duty. Swap out the matched rotors and pads when you hit the track. Cheap chinese blank rotors are more than adequate.
There was a good article on brake set-up in SportsCar, but of course they don’t host any of their articles online. IIRC they had a T1 classed C5 (stock brakes calipers, pads open) something like DTC-70 front, DTC-60 rear. But I was only thumbing through the article.
http://www.hawkperformance.com/motorsports/compounds/index.php
The only other option that I would recommend is something like Carbotech XP-16 front XP-12 rear.
http://www.ctbrakes.com/pads/chevy.html
Probably could get away with milder pads with street tires, but street tires suck.
But then again my above reply has absolutely nothing to do with autocross experience.
seriously, don’t buy hawks. I’m now a die hard porterfield fan after switching from hawks. The pedal feel is seriously night and day. I also heard great things about the carbotechs. I hear they have a similar feel to the porterfields and even wear better but I’ve yet to try them.
I’m personally a padgid whore on the pcar, but I generally just run hawks as street pads on the bimmers. I really liked the bite on modulation of the Ferodo’s on dmoffitt’s 350z.
lol, I’ve got the Dale impressions in my head now
Yea, my issue was that I needed more cooling! The SuperBlue fluid when boiled, creates instant pedal - b - gone. The two times I was able to boil the Motul, it was a very progressive loss of brakes.
As far as cost, in the grand scheme of brakes, what’s $30 compared to $15?
Well I’m running 13.4" / 13" (drilled) vented rotors with brake ducts and my car weighs 3050lbs or 3250lbs with me in it. I mean its no STi but I run about ~450 wheel na at the track.
I am most definitely running Stainless lines.
I wouldn’t mind spending $30 on a great fluid. So it looks like I’ll be grabbing some Motul.
Pads, I don’t want anything I need to swap out, I am way too lazy for that. I am however fine swapping out my pads after a few days at the track or every 10K miles.
So if you guys don’t suggest HP+'s what would you?
Which Carbotech would work well for me? XP-8?
Thanks for the advice guys.
“Those Hawk pads are like an on/off switch!”
can someone pm me about stainless steel brake lines can you buy them as a kit for the whole car??
Well it’s double the price for half the amount of Motul rather than Super Blue and Mike is the only guy I’ve ever known who has reported a difference with it…
Compelling point, equally noted!
I use XP-8’s in front and AX6’s in the rear and they work perfectly for trackdays but I wouldn’t recommend them for the street though. You really can’t be lazy with this stuff.
You’re best bet would be to have two sets of rotors and two sets of pads. One for street and one for trackdays. Like I said I use the HPS / blanks on the street and XP-8 | AX6 / blanks for trackdays.
Ditto on the Hawks, especially the HPS, faded out and boiled the new ATE fluid in 10 laps at Dunnville
Anyone try the EBC Yellow stuff, I like that they are cheaper than the HP+ and sounds like their temp range is 300-400 degrees higher
That’s because it’s Dunnville. Dunnville likes to eat tires / brakes even more so then something like the Glen in my opinion.
EBC Yellows suck donkey balls. McMoo (SRT-4) went through a set of rear EBC Yellows in a day at the Glen and they had crumbled and shit. I would personally never use them.
Actually that just made me laugh when thinking about the SRT-4. The Hawk HPS on the same car were literally almost on fire after some really fast laps at Dunnville :lol:
for the needs requested in this thread… superblue, HPS, stainless lines.
nothing more is needed. your car will let you know when it’s time to upgrade beyond that… if it doesn’t and you’re still on street tires and think you can drive then it’s time for r-comps at which point you will need to upgrade pads big time.
The needs in this thread? Josh regulary brakes from 150 doing several pulls at a time, and said he wants to do track days this summer.
Your EVO has awesome Brembo brakes from the factory, so I feel some of us need better performing brake pads than you do/ did if you still have that car.
I got a ride in your EVO (awesome ride) and learned I should brake considerably later, but when I tried that with HPS pads in my 330i with ~13" rotors and fresh ATE, I lost my brakes, not my tires
Also, its my opinion that I’d rather be fast on Street tires, who isnt fast on Rcomps? I like to drive my setup to the track
there is no need to threshold braking from 150 on a regular basis. get up there, then brake hard down to 100 and coast a little then brake again. tires are usually the limiting factor in most setups.
also, when you get above HPS is it’s tough to get anything more aggressive without needing to swap out pads.
maybe HP+, DS2500s… beyond that you’re truly into track only pads.
was I on track tires when you got a ride in the evo? that changes everything… on street tires I did my first couple days at the glen with HPS and I’ve since done dunnville on HPS with street tires without a problem (you just have to manage the brakes a little bit…)…
enough rambling on… what I’m really saying is it becomes a slippery slope very quickly.
Okay I got what you’re saying, With my car I didn’t have tire traction issues with late braking though