Automatic Emergency Braking (AEB) Coming Standard

I wanted to mention that I could opt out by not buying one, but isn’t it going to be mandatory going forward in new vehicles? I guess it’s not really an issue once you understand exactly how it works.

Hahaha well I’ve had other interesting situations before. Driving at night on the Chevy Uplander I used to have, I was heading down Aiken in Pendleton towards where it ends onto Lockport rd, for whatever reason I was caught up in my work with the delivery lists etc. and didn’t realize just how fast I am going until I look up and see I’m approaching the stop sign. I hit the brakes and all that happens is me sliding forward so I do the next best thing, throw it in reverse and hit the gas. It seems to have worked because right before the moment where I would have gone into the ditch across the road, the tires finally got grip and the car “jumped” back a bit. I guess if I had ejection seats, I wouldn’t have finished my routes that night :smiley:

I guess I sidetracked a bit. I was wondering about the snow just thinking of all the recent news of the autopilots coming out from Tesla, Google etc. and I keep wondering how the tech would work taking things like black ice, or just ice , snow pack etc. into consideration. I might have a very simple view of how the radar systems determine the vehicle position etc.

I have this in my car. Never had it actually engage except when i was about to go through a snowbank in a parking lot.

I doubt that system is on a fuse by its self yea pulling an ABS fuse worked years ago…

Also I realize adulthood is going hit some of you like a ton of bricks…please disable one of these safety systems then go get in an accident and let me know how your insurance company reacts :lol:

Beyond all that do some of you really think you’re smarter than a team of engineers who have oversight and a lot of incentive to be out front in the industry with advanced safety features?

The more I think about this after watching the video the more I realize I’m fine with this being standard on all vehicles. The accident where the idiot that rear ended my wife on the 990 a couple years ago likely wouldn’t have happened if the guy had a car with this system. Thankfully no one was hurt but when I traded in the Murano it went from clean carfax to a one accident car and I lost probably about what this would have added to the cost of a new car in trade in value.

I am pretty confident that my three point belt is safer than a Takata airbag.

I am fine with everything automated and nanny systems, but would be happier if:
-insurance rates go down
-it progresses safety to use crowd sourcing to increase speed limits per traffic and weather conditions, same with optimizing traffic lights
-it allows for an increase in BAC (j/k)

Unless you can convince me that you are capable of operating 4 brake pedals with varying degrees of pressure I’m going with the manufacture’s choice of programming.
As far as black ice conditions, my experience is that stability control is surprising smart, AEB should be no different.

Anyone see the original Z06 video of this guy bouncing of off safety systems during a track day? Worst Trackday Video Ever? Z06 Driver Risks Life To Beat A Porsche

I’m OK with the general public having this.

Happy with it or not, we’re going to be getting more of it:

The potential impact of automated driving and of extensively connected cars has pushed aside electric and low-emission vehicles as the major theme in just the two years since the show was last held.

New technologies could lead to everything from real-time navigating around a slippery stretch of road, to eliminating the need for a home garage by having cars drive themselves to people who summon them through a mobile app.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_FRANKFURT_AUTO_SHOW_CONNECTED_CAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-16-06-37-05

You get this for safety items now so I don’t see why AEB would be any different. Here are my listed discounts on my current policy:

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The funny part is the VW had DRL’s when I got it, but I disabled them via VCDS so I’m not going to call and fight to get the discount put on. :slight_smile:

And this situation wouldn’t have mattered to the new systems one bit, it wouldn’t have even triggered it.

I know, that was more of a side note to his parachute comment :slight_smile:

Look, I had the concept of this whole thing wrong,(has something to do with listening to a few DW radio Spectrum programs as well as some Business Daily) I’m more informed now so thank you, not trying to pick a bone with anyone here :smiley:

I am skeptical it would be reduced by 35% as stated in the article.

The initial systems are probably not there yet, but in this situation the on board cameras, radar, laser could pick up the octagon shape of a stop sign. Nav should be tied into the system and should recognize the approaching intersection. Should also be tied into ambient temp and/or weather apps to recognized below freezing road conditions.

True, but by that point we’re all going to be riding in these:


https://youtu.be/xGi6j2VrL0o

Reducing insurance injury claims by 35% does not mean their net costs go down by 35%.

True, then let me say, I am skeptical it would be reduced by 29% (reflect 35% of 83%).

The Tesla Model S already does all of this, and everyone loves it. Are people complaining now because it’s other manufacturers? Afraid of change?

The day when I can not drive my car is going to be a fantastic day :tup:

You think that?

Do you enjoy driving your car at all? Because once they decide to stop allowing humans to drive its :down:

I do, and I would still drive my car when I wanted to go for a spirited cruise.

I don’t believe we will be alive when “they decide to stop allowing humans to drive”. But I’ll tell you what, I would gladly sit in my comfortable car and drink a cup of coffee and read the paper on my way into work in the morning, all while having less of a chance of being involved in an accident. Take my money!

I’m sure the same argument was made when they walked the last horse off of the assembly line. When this happens to go karts and at race tracks I’ll worry.

My P then Q argument:

If I wanted; I can race a 40-50 year old car today, therefore 40-50 years from now I can race today’s cars. (which are a good selection, not overly nannied)

I’d love to be able to hop in my car after a long day of skiing and watch TV while it safely drove us back from Ellicottville, or sleep through the boring thruway drive from Buffalo to Albany. The problem is I also enjoy driving my car most of the time. If you honestly think you’re going to get to have a self driving car that has been proven a safer driver than you AND get to selectively choose when to drive and when to let the computer do it you clearly haven’t met a personal injury attorney or heard of the insurance lobby.

There may not be the political support to mandate self driving cars but after a few multi-million dollar wrongful death suits where it’s proven that if the computer was driving there wouldn’t have been a crash the insurance companies will find a way to make it too expensive to insure your vehicle if you’re driving it.

A plane can fly itself safer than a pilot, and selectively choose when they fly manually, and that holds more lives than a car.

The plane has a professional pilot with rigorous training and constant retesting. After the recent pilot error crashes and that Germanwings nutcase that purposely crashed the plane discussions have already started about removing the human part of the equation.

Planes and their professionally trained pilots however have a FAR better safety record than the automotive world. You can be assured that the multi-billion dollar auto-insurance industry will push this much faster than we’re seeing in the airline industry.

According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), U.S. motor vehicle crashes in 2010 cost almost $1 trillion in loss of productivity and loss of life. The study was released in May 2014.

A TRILLION dollars a year because of car crashes. [sarcasm]Yeah, they’ll let you keep driving after computer controlled cars that can drive safter than you become standard equipment[/sarcasm]

This is a good read: