Charger SRT-8 way out classed, or NOT?

[system]

@vq30de

holy shit is this your first sensible post?

i was thinking the same thing after i read it.

:tup: you guys are rubbing off on me.

it may also be my first gen. auto post

[RedGoober4Life]

They didn’t actually COMPARE the two like they compared the 330i, A4 (or was it the S4) and the WRX. It was more of a side bar.

[JayS]

@vq30de

holy shit is this your first sensible post?

:word: :lol:

Welcome to the automotive side of the forum.

[MikeRi24]

id rather have the SRT-8 40 grand less or not…but not like i have a biased opinion or anything

[MaximaSE98]

i my Maxima at 7.5k…i have never been a Mopar or Caddy guy…driven them all (used car dealer)…driven MB and BMWs…i agree 40k difference is alot…to me it would be better to find somethign in between the 2…there has to be something…and it my own opinion a BMW or MB will have way more longevity than any Chrysler product…i mean come on they advertise the HEMI like its the latest and greatest technology

[Violator]

@beckington

I’d rather have a ferrari, rather than a chevy…but the point stands that the new z06 is still in the same class.

not whether or not the interiors are nicer, and general reliability.

They are NOT in the same class… no where close. Thats the whole point. Unlike some people on here like to think…performance is not the all encompassing measure

[system]

@Violator

They are NOT in the same class… no where close. Thats the whole point. Unlike some people on here like to think…performance is not the all encompassing measure

OMFG JESUS OMFG SHIT SHIT BALLS.

I was talking about performance wise. :bloated: Just like the article was talking about. Craftsman wise? No…of course not.

There you go again, totally twisting what is said, trying to make someone look stupid, and you arguably smart.

you drive a stang. you will never win.

[Violator]

@beckington

OMFG JESUS OMFG SHIT SHIT BALLS.

I was talking about performance wise. :bloated: Just like the article was talking about. Craftsman wise? No…of course not.

There you go again, totally twisting what is said, trying to make someone look stupid, and you arguably smart.

you drive a stang. you will never win.

hahahah… you are a clown

@beckington

how power wise, performance wise etc etc. it can compete with “performace orientated sedans thousands more”…

I guess I misinterpreted what you meant. Im not used to you making sense.
So I retract the previous post. Relax before you pee yourself. You win.

Dude I have no reason to sit here and try to make myself look smart to goofballs like yourself. I really dont care what you think of me. I am participating in a discussion, nothing less, nothing more. I cant make anyone look stupid… what one thinks or says does that for them. Your “Im not a dummy defense” makes me laugh. heee heee

I guess in your “Far Side” razor doll world what car people drive is a direct reflection of their intelligence and what caliber girls they can get(from another thread). My heap is currently in pieces and Im driving a 99 Honda Accord. What do your intelligence Tarot Cards say about people that drive stripped down Honda Hatches?

[JayS]

@Violator

I guess in your “Far Side” razor doll world what car people drive is a direct reflection of their intelligence and what caliber girls they can get(from another thread). My heap is currently in pieces and Im driving a 99 Honda Accord. What do your intelligence Tarot Cards say about people that drive stripped down Honda Hatches?

Oh no you didn’t. :lol:

[mike125k]

@turbociv

Honestly, since ive owned my bmw, i dont know how i ever drove anything else. It just makes you feel good.

It is an addicting feeling isnt it

[rskrause]

I think the 300C is damned impresive for the $$$, but it is way too ugly for me to even seriously consider owning one. But for the $$, that’s one hell of a fast 4-seater. But, the CTS-V is one hell of a car overall, even with the higher price and less performance than the 300C. The M5 and the AMG are much more expensive and really aren’t in the same market segment. The CTS-V kind of straddles the middle and overall, when price is considered, is the best of the bunch, IMHO. No matter what, I’d be damned pissed to get a good race from a 300C at 1/2 the price if I bought anyone of the others.

All of these cars, especially the new M5 and M6 are going to be nightmares once they start to age. We will probably be seeing SBC swaps into them when the get to be 8-10 years old like used to be SOP for aging Jaguars. They are so enormously complex so that they will develop very obscure and/or expensive problems. The only way I would own an M5, M6, or a CTS-V is as a new car, on lease, with a manufacturers extended warranty. The limited production will insure that most mechanics never get really familiar with them, and that there will no aftermarket for many of the bits and pieces. You will be left at the mercy of the manufacturer for parts, for as long as they decide to produce them (which may not be too long). The CTS-V will be the best of the three in that respect becuse it uses lots of relatively generic GM parts. So that’s the only one of the three that I would consider as a long term purchase. The 300C wins in this respect, it also uses some relatively generic parts and is relatively cheap enough that could always just “throw it away” (figuratively) if you had to.

[rskrause]

@RedGoober4Life

The STS-V is very soft. I would not be surprised if they made it a bit stiffer in the next few years. I think it is a bit classier car than the SRT-8. The interior looks great compared to the regular STS (which is designed well, but the materials are not very impressive). Leather covered dash and such. The SRT-8 has a nearly identical interior to the 300C. It is designed perfectly for ergonomics (I can always find/use the controls in a Chrysler product with fidangling around), but again the materials do not feel like recent Mercedes or BMW (that late 90s MB crap was crap, ugh). They feel as though they asked Fisher Price to mold their plastics. I am sure it has more to do with how they are designed and not how much they cost. Aside from some loose parts in the two new STS’s (and an SRX, and a CTS…), they are put together just as well as any Toyota or Honda. Maybe I am just used to those materials and presume they are quality?

Anyway, big tangent. When I see a 300C I think, "Nice car, if you need space for dead bodies.” When I see an STS (especially in black), I get giddy. It is proportioned perfectly. It has fluidity. The front looks like it should be there. The back is somewhat weird (I hate those taillights). It works. It is very classy in black. There are parts to the 300C that I think look very tacked on (the front end–is that ever ugly?). Also, the hemi is wonderful for a bargain basement luxury car, but you win the real buyers by having an engine that does not clatter when cold. I wouldn’t shell out $40,000 for a vehicle that has a pushrod engine. Sorry. Give me the Northstar, the 6 in the BMW or the RL, the AJ 4.2 in the Jag, or the 4.3 in the Lexus (oh goodness is that a great engine Lexus has…mmm, so smooth).

And on that note, there is a reason Lexus has had the success it has had in the United States. They aren’t faster (usually), they are slower around a track and they don’t look better. Hm. Customer satisfaction? Value? I’d buy an STS-V over the STS for the interior improvements alone. With my monopoly money.

If Cadillac (and Chrysler has an even tougher time) wants to really gain some respect, they need to forget about performance lineups and spread the performance across their line. Selling an SRT-8 next to a Neon is fine if you want to treat the Neon owner as if they’re also the only customer you have. I go to a Cadillac dealer and I feel like I might as well be looking at Pontiacs.

Is it outclassed? Yes. MB is making some strides. The Cadillac isn’t outclassed because, uhm, it’s damn good and $12,000 cheaper? It’s cheap! Right. And the CTS isn’t a Dodge Stratus? Come on Chrysler. The only cars worth buying are the 300C and the Pacifica, and the Pacifica was overpriced until they gave it that horrid 3.8 push rod…lumpy thing…ugh…dumbasses…ugh… …Scrap anything under 25k, leave those cars to Dodge, put Jeep and Chrysler in the same dealerships and give the buyers some good customer service.

I don’t expect anybody here to agree with me. Hell, this is a car board and performance is at the top of the list for most people here. However, BMW and MB didn’t get the presence they have now with their performance lines. Lexus has toyed around with the idea. Acura…performance…bha!! Aside from the NSX or the Type R, no. And I don’t think their current success hinges on having nor had those two cars in their lineup.

Bottom line: the money is best spent elsewhere.

edit: to make it easier to read.

Nice post! Articulate, coherent, persuasive. Even good spelling and punctuation.

Bravo!

[MrFliGSR]

Defintely apples and oranges here. If I could afford $80,000 for a car the SRT-8, is definitely not in my list. Most likely If I could afford that I would prolly already have a good amount of money saved for collge for my kids. SRT-8 and the 300 is for those who can afford a $40,000 vehicle. NO real comparison here. You are getting good perfomance for ur $$$ with the DCX cars. If I want pure Luxury I’d look to Lexus

[rob_woods]

I dont know why everyone is shocked that the srt-8 did so well. This thing is an E-Class MB chassis with an american engine and tranny. So basically it is almost as fast as an e55 because it is one with some extra pounds. Ever since the merger Dodge/Chrysler has been throwing new bodys on german chassis and selling them for 75 percent of the price. Crossfire is the same thing. Kinda funny how the press has been so good on those cars huh? Because they are rebaged and re-engined german cars. I dont know where they are built but if they are in america then there is your service complaint number cause and effect. Also kinda funny that a year after its release (300cand wagon varients and whatever) it was offered with all wheel drive. MB 4-matic is what it really is. I work at SSBC and have seen tons of cars on the lifts we have for possile brake kits. One employees magnum 2wd was on the lift. Guess what? All you saw was Sachs name on everything. If they didnt add so much weight to the damn thing(even theough they look cool as hell) it would have probably beat the E55 because of a stronger engine.