I see America as Purple, I refuse to to recognize the news media interpretation of our country.
Simply arguing with people on this board shows that conservatives live in NY. And I’m sure there are liberals in WV and SC.
red or blue states don’t matter… the problem is that too many people think redistrubution of wealth, being “fair” to everyone and more taxes are the answer and they aren’t. People just need to remember the fundamental principals this country was founded on… hard work, a you-get-what-you-earn attitude and sometimes things are tough/unfair so too bad. that’s it. If people remembered that we wouldn’t have any problems.
I guess that you guys are blind to the thouands that are leaving the northeast.
NY must be color blind then :picard:
Complete over simplification of the issues at hand but what ever. If systems are broken and don’t allow, or make it incredibly difficult to succeed then there needs to be change.
Education systems in the cities are jokes, health care has become a luxury and the average working Americans jobs are being shipped overseas.
People are leaving the northeast because it’s cold. A big reason for the population shift to the south and west starting was widespread air conditioning in all buildings. California is the bluest of blue states and it’s not losing population. Young professionals without strings to a certain area are deciding to start their lives out in the sun belt. The economics just went along for the ride, as more of the tax burden shifted to those of us who stayed here. Why do you think the red states are turning blue?
^You are joking right?
Air conditioning? lol
It’s called cheap labor.
people didn’t start moving to the warm areas til everyone got AC.
Once the labor was there, then the businesses started going there.
Since the infrastructure wasn’t caught up yet, the businesses found it cheaper. more businesses started going there.
more businesses meant more work. so people move there to find jobs. the cycle continues.
You know what I am sick of? The assumption that people with money worked hard for their money.
90% of the people I know who “have money” either A. Inherited it or had financial help from family, B. Got REALLY Lucky, or C. Used unethical means to make it. (I have no problem with A or B, but rather the assumption that this is not most of the countries wealthy)
Now obviously plenty of people indeed work hard for their money - but once you’ve “made it”, it’s a hell of a lot easier to keep making it simply by taking advantage of tax loopholes, etc, etc. Especially if you’re someone in the top 2-3%.
In reality most of the wealthy “should” be paying a lot more in taxes than they actually are - and honestly I would rather see some of these tax loopholes that benefit the wealthy be closed, over a tax increase.
Either way - the message from conservatives that this is a huge “redistribution of wealth”, and they are “taking money from people who worked hard for it” is simply ludicrous.
^What do you want to call it then?
That is the most accurate name I can think of, regardless of the work involved.
You take from one and give to another = redistribution
Money = wealth.
Pretty simple really.
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so why is it that the top 5% of the country pays 60% of the tax revenue and 40% of the country doesn’t even pay tax? Is that fair to them? Last I checked the word “fair” was being thrown around when talking about all the poor people in this country so why not the wealthy?
please explain that to me dozr…
EDIT: btw, what loopholes are there because I’d love it if someone showed me why it’s ok that I should give my money to a government that doesn’t know wtf it’s doing.
I’ll help. because they control way too much of the overall wealth. traditionally when this happen the “people” use their numbers to fight back by voting in people to change this.
as for the 40% who don’t pay… I wonder how many of those are children or retired.
Because the top 5% of the country makes half of the money. And 40% of the country makes less than $20,000 a year. You can’t take blood from a stone.
We already have redistribution of wealth in this country. In the wrong direction. Every year the gap widens. Democratic policies, even if effective, would likely only slow this process. If they could manage to reverse it, better yet.
Many poor people bust their asses and make <30k a year. College graduates fresh out of school bust theirs and make 30 to 50k. All a person has to do if they inherit one million dollars, which is not even that much money any more, is drop it in a 5% CD, with no risk involved, and they earn $50k a year to do absolutely nothing, without ever touching the principle.
How is that fair?
Why should someone else be allowed to touch that persons million dollars…there family worked hard for it and was setup to be given to them from there parents/family that busted there ass to make it, and if they get the money to invest its there $ to invest and make $ off of. Why give it to other people who did not earn it, even know the original person did not, it was a loss of there family who did earn it, not a stranger in Arizona. Hell if thats the case, mine as well blow the money away on coke and hookers instead of giving it away.
Lets take some of your retirement that you are saving for over the nest 40 years and give some of that away to other people.
it’s not but they are still only making 50k a year… not a million. I understand about the income issue, I just don’t like people like Obama saying they are going to redistribute the wealth in our country. There is no reason I should have to give up anything I’ve earned so we can be “fair”. I’ve had opportunities that most people don’t because I EARNED them and my grandfather, father and uncles EARNED them… and I am grateful for that. trust me i don’t think we should stop helping people in need, I don’t think we should just hand out money because it’s “fair”. Life’s not fair so TOO BAD. I’d bet the 40% does have some kids/retiree’s but not enough to make a difference. Anyone who has a job should be concerned about the state of our country right now and this will affect all of us, even those who are on the other side of the discussion
Sure that isn’t fair at all but how many people just inherit 1 million dollars. They same could be said about the lottery, they pay 1 dollar for a couple million.
Poor people are poor because they are busting their asses off at McD’s or some other blue collar job that isn’t going to pay well because it is UNSKILLED labor.
Sure certified welders, plumbers and electricians make better money because they are “skilled and certified” in what they do.
If they don’t feel its fair then they should do something about it. The Unskilled labor especially, either move into a position where they could be come part of the skilled work force, or spend a little more time taking night classes.
College students prove their responsibility by getting a degree. Sure most engineering degrees don’t directly teach what will be used in the job. They show that the person has the capacity to learn what the Job will entail.
wait…didn’t I read somewhere you inherited a bunch of stuff?
If so, you’re saying you’re ok with handing some of it back out?
I’ve posted this before and I’m going to do it again…
HOW LONG DOES THE USA HAVE?
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. ''A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. ''From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
- From bondage to spiritual faith;
- From spiritual faith to great courage;
- From courage to liberty;
- From liberty to abundance;
- From abundance to complacency;
- From complacency to apathy;
- From apathy to dependence;
- From dependence back into bondage;
Professor Joseph Ols on of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:
Number of States won by:
Gore: 19 Bush: 29
Square miles of land won by:
Gore: 580,000
Bush: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by:
Gore: 127 million Bush: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Gore: 13.2
Bush: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: ‘In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore’s territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…’ Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the ‘complacency and apathy’ phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the ‘governmental dependency’ phase. If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years
so when is this Bondage coming back… I’m getting all excited here.
But the thing is, if that guy who got the million from his parents decides to sit on his ass and do nothing, he’s an “investor.” He also likely has a comfortable life. If the poor person decides to, they’re a drain on society, called lazy, and live pretty shittily.
The average CEO pay is 431 times the average worker at their company’s pay. Do you honestly believe they EARNED 431 times the money that their subordinates did?
If the minimum wage climbed as fast as the income of the top 5% of america did since 1990, it would currently be over $30 an hour. The “redistribution of wealth” in this country that the rich are so paranoid of is actually what’s making them so much richer than everyone else.