yea i mean everyone in WNY can afford a $500 set of snow tires. Im using mine right now from last year and I would probably be better off with summer tires but im not going to drop $800 on snow tires for another 1 1/2 months of bad weather. Alot of people never got any this year since the weather was so good up until a couple weeks ago. I would of got new snows this year if we got snow before jan.