I’ll keep my 10yo Z28 and all its flaws. Its not the prettiest. Far from the nicest interior and that live axle rides like shit. But on a crisp spring night, it sure is fun to drive. And damn it!.. its me.
lol guy.
I was simply attempting to point out how the driver is being increasingly removed from the driving experience. Car companies are attempting to cover up the incompetents of many drivers with more electronic nannies that limit what you can do as the operator of the vehicle. There’s more and more, traction control and stability control and shitty throttle response due to drive-by-wire TBs and such, that i miss the purity of the mechanical connection that a driver used to have with older cars that seems is being phased out in a lot of newer vehicles.
Top Gear did a test of the F40 touching on this point. I tend to agree with Clarkson on this one.
Apparently spell check is your traction control. Don’t complain about other people’s incompetence, not if you can’t spell the word. No offense man, but come on.
We have plenty of luxuries that have turned skill over to electronics. Butchering is almost entirely automated now but there are still some butchers who do everything by hand, chainsaws have replaced the axe for efficiency reasons yet some people who enjoyed using them still cut down trees using nothing but an axe, fish finders make finding the good spots easy for people who have never fished at the lake/river they happen to be in, GPS systems, digitally tuning radios that eliminate the knobs used to find the right frequency…
Like I said man. Cars are getting dumber, for dumber people. They aren’t the only thing though. This thread needs to be far broader than it is, if its going to mean anything.
Even so, you can still buy an axe, a radio with knobs, a map book, and a boat without a fish finder. In other words… what are you ranting about if you say you’re sticking with your z28, and you’re doing just that.? Old cars with throttle linkages and live axles aren’t going anywhere.
u can keep ur 10 year old z28 all you want
just dont keep the mullet
Yeah I also hate it when technology keeps me safe from all the incompetent assholes on the road. :tdown:
Stability control is awesome for winter weather. To pretend you could do a better job than a system that can control individual brakes, and in some cases power distribution to individual wheels, is silly. Its doing a good job on cutting down single vehicle crash rates too.
Traction control is a bit of a waste though on the average car, almost got me stuck going up a hill and wheel spin that causes a car to start kicking out is solved by Stability control for those that can’t control the right foot.
Drive a vette, you can kill all the goodies but for other than burnouts and drifting, no real reason
I think we all agree however that we want our daily drivers to have amenities, and our go fast toys…need only go fast.
i think the biggest problem here, OP, is that you’ve simply never driven a new car. I’m certain that if you plopped your ass in a brand new sti or evo (for example, many other cars could be used) you’d be making a thread about how much more awesome they are than your mullet-mobile.
can someone atleast change the thread title to ERA
Please do tell me what my DD is since you are so omniscient
I’ll just take a stab at “10yo Z28”, since that’s what you referenced in your post as what you’d like to keep.
ugghhh… :picard:
Try to moved past the fact that I spelled a word incorrectly and actually read the post. I’m not saying that old cars are better than new cars. The technological advances in the automotive over the last 10-15 years have certainly made cars better. Let me try to clarify for you folks.
The point of the post was to argue whether or not, FOR PERFORMANCE DRIVING, that electronics and computers have removed some of the driving experience from the driver and replaced it with algorithms. The fact that less driver skill is involved and electronic trickery has replaced it. The GTR being a perfect example.
I’m not talking for the stoopid soccer MILF driving while texting and fixing her eyeliner on a snow covered road. Obviously the more electronic fail-safes involved in her “driving experience” the better off we all are.
…and BTW, the Z28 has been in storage for several months now.
This would be why most PERFORMANCE cars have an on/off switch 
lol.fry. !
just quoted both for reference…
But i’m going to go ahead and say that even the vehicles with all the “electronic trickery” have their limits, you’re just able to go faster and push harder to reach them as opposed to the cars that aren’t equipped.
So, really, i’d say the driving experience has been expanded.
Don’t forget that these cars come equipped with a lot of those options of “on/off” performance because full time performance with modern technology simply isn’t practical to be driving around town with.
And come on now, unless you’re talking about exotic made-to-order cars, every vehicle since the Model T has been cookie cutter mass produced with standard options. The 1980s were definitely no different.
Kinda like Toyota’s Drive-by-wire throttle’s. Those are way safer than a typical throttle cable. :tup: How’s that working for ya?
You really bumped this thread?
Can you please fix ERA
Say what you want, hooking a scanner to your car and knowing what’s wrong as opposed to guessing certainly has value.
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These lists are good but to compare the fastest mustangs the older cars are missing the top dogs,wheres the 428,429 and the shelbys,listed are the small block cars.The vettes i agree are alot faster now.My point was that a few cars are alot faster now but most have about the same performance as the past but having fuel injection and overdrives makes them so much better to drive and still be able to put good #s down at the track.Lets face it a new roller cam or 2 in a newer car cost some coin.The parts to mod it are alot of money compard to buying parts for an older car.For the dragstrip i would think you could build a old car alot cheaper than a new one and run the same times.I know that when i built my turbo buick it cost alot more than my 440 mopar stroked to 499.Both cars run about the same times but the buick is alot nicer to drive.I dont think there is any right or wrong here with either new or old,just how much cash and how much you know about newer electronics.
I would argue, but my wife’s 2010 Legacy is in the shop right now because the ebrake lever/cable system has been replaced by a button on the dash and a pair of solenoids and it won’t disengage. :roflpicard: :hang:
There’s a simple solution to this thread, don’t buy newer cars if you don’t like them. But I have to agree with you on a few things, some mechanical items should be left mechanical, like the throttle and the E-brake.
I wish it were that easy, I’ve been hunting the source of a random misfire code on my dad’s '02 2500HD for months.