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I really feel that’s where we are in the automotive industry. The days of simplicity, and having 100% control over the vehicle you drive is gone.

I was recently with out cable for several days and was going through all my old Motor Trends ( there was nothing else to do) from the early 90. After looking trough several and i couldn’t help but realize, I long for the days of simpler cars. There were some pretty bad-ass rides in those days.

Sure, the interiors sucked, the creature comforts were at a minimum and the driving experience was far from maximized. But those cars had personality, good or bad, they had it. They didn’t all look like melted jelly beans and come equipped exactly the same. You were in control of the cars. If you fucked up, you shit yourself trying to drift it across 3 lanes of traffic on the 290 because you lifted on the on ramp. But you could have fun in them. Oh yeah and every car didn’t weigh 6348750394785 lbs

After reading Mike’s (and others; see dod) post in the review thread about the Exploder, I couldnt help but recall the last time i forgot to turn off the TC in the Z28 only to get pissed off. Cars pretty much drive themselves these days. Good luck trying to tune one yourself. Cars’ shapes are no longer art, designed to please the eye. They are 100% functionally dependent on aerodynamic behavior.

It seem (to me anyway) that with the increasing complexity of the electronic control of today’s vehicles that they are losing their soles. A car is no longer something to Lust over and find its individuality that matches your desires. They are all becoming so cookie-cutter and dull, nothing more than transportation to coddle us while we drive to work.

I’ll keep my 10yo Z28 and all its flaws. Its not the prettiest. Far from the nicest interior and that live axle rides like shit. But on a crisp spring night, it sure is fun to drive. And damn it!.. its me. :smiley:

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Don’t buy shitty new cars?

i don’t know…i disagree with about 1/2 of your mini-rant. I just think you’re stuck in the 90’s. The car designs have been far more “outside the box” in the 2000’s then most any other decade.

Certain models just seem to shit up the automotive industry… i.e. Monte Carlo.

and it’s ERA foo :wink:
i like new cars with all their shit
but i do like mid 90s cars as well
and i’ve always wanted to own a 60s/70s muscle car

STi?
Evo?
G35?
350z?
Vette?
New Camaro?
Charger?

Compare their 1/4 times and performance to a lot of the “fast” cars from the 60’s/70s

i can’t get on board with this rant, i just disagree with too much of it.

also, soles are the bottoms of your feet. you were looking for the word soul.

I remember an era when people could spell 3 letter words correctly.

Electronics are scary!

Bro it ain’t magic. You’ve just got to learn new skills.

Although I do fully intend to punch the first person that I see show off starting their car with their iphone…

I have owned many cars but there was nothing quite like the visceral feel of my 1972 911. Infact there has been much controversy in the evolution of the 911 over the years. 911 enthusiasts complain every time a new one comes out because it isn’t like the old one but they are almost always faster.
I thought my 951 was like magic when I drove it because it was so much more refined. I eventually bought an Evo and modded it which was a bit scary because even though I knew it handled well it never felt “glue to the road” like a 951 does.

But yeah, the old 911 was the scariest and that is why we drive fast, correct?

Oh, and fix the G.D. title of the thread!

The older the car the cheaper and easier it is to mod for performance.I havnt really seen any newer cars that put any real good #s down at the track stock.So even if the new ones are say 425 horse there still not putting the times down that older cars did.Handling now thats another story.But driving the old car to the track say nyirp and but would really suck with some 4.11s and no overdrive.I have owned nothing but 60s and early 70s mopars but when i bought my first grand national i was hooked.I can put down decent track times and cruise worry free.So i get why the newer cars are cool to mod also.

LOLJUAT?

1957 Chevrolet Corvette 6.6 14.2
1965 Chevrolet Corvette 6.2 14.9
1967 Chevrolet Corvette L71 5.6 13.8
1968 Chevrolet Corvette 327 7.7 15.6
1968 Chevrolet Corvette 427 6.3 14.1
1969 Chevrolet Corvette 427ci 435hp 5.3 13.8 (C&D Sep '69)
1970 Chevrolet Corvette 427 6.1 14.3
1973 Corvette 350ci L82 6.7 15.1 (C&D Dec '72)
1973 Corvette 454ci 6.4 14.6 (C&D Dec ‘72)
1975 Chevrolet Corvette 350 9.6 16.4
1976 Chevrolet Corvette 350 8.1 16.5
1977 Chevrolet Corvette 8.8 16.6
1979 Chevrolet Corvette L82 7.3 15.7
1980 Chevrolet Corvette L82 7.4 15.4
1982 Chevrolet Corvette 9.2 16.6
1984 Chevrolet Corvette 6.7 15.1
1985 Chevrolet Corvette 5.7 14.1
1986 Chevrolet Corvette 5.8 14.4
1986 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 6.0 14.5
1988 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 6.0 14.6
1988 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 6.0 14.6
1990 Chevrolet Corvette 5.7 14.3
1990 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.4 12.8
1991 Chevrolet Corvette L98 5.3 13.9
1991 Chevrolet Corvette Roadster 5.6 14.1
1992 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.7 14.1
1992 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 5.6 13.9
1993 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.3 13.9
1993 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 5.2 13.6
1994 Chevrolet Corvette LT1(auto) 5.5 14.1
1994 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.7 13.1
1995 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.2 13.7
1995 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.9 13.1
1996 Chevrolet Corvette Collectors’ 4.9 13.3
1996 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport 4.7 13.3
1997 Chevrolet Corvette 4.7 13.3
1998 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 5.1 13.5
1999 Chevrolet Corvette Hardtop 4.8 13.3
2001 Chevrolet Corvette C5-R 3.5 10.3
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 4.6 13.0
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe 4.8 13.1
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 4.1 12.5
2002 Chevrolet Corvette (Lingenfelter 427 twin turbo) 1.97 9.24
2003 Chevrolet Corvette (50th Anniversary) Manual, 4.9 13.4 (R&T Aug. '02)
2005 Chevrolet Corvette C6 4.2 12.5 (chevrolet.com)
2006 Chevrolet Corvette ZO6 3.5 11.5 (MT Oct '05)
2007 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 3.7 11.8 (MT Oct '07 Vol. 59, NO. 10)

1968 Porsche 911 Sportomatic 10.3 17.3
1981 Porsche 911 SC 6.7 N/A
1983 Porsche 911 SC Cabrio 7.0 15.5
1984 Porsche 911 Carrera 6.2 14.6
1986 Porsche 911 Cabriolet 5.7 14.3
1986 Porsche 911 Turbo 5.0 13.4
1989 Porsche 911 Cabriolet 6.5 15.0
1989 Porsche 911 Club Sport 5.7 14.3
1989 Porsche 911 Speedster 6.0 14.7
1989 Porsche 911 Turbo 5.1 13.6
1990 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 5.4 14.0
1990 Porsche 911 Speedster 6.0 14.5
1991 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 Tiptronic (auto) 6.9 15.0
1991 Porsche 911 Turbo 4.9 13.4
1993 Porsche 911 RS America 5.3 13.8
1993 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6 4.4 12.7
1994 Porsche 911 Carrera 5.2 13.8
1994 Porsche 911 Speedster 5.4 14.0
1994 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6 4.5 12.9
1995 Porsche 911 Cabriolet 6.4 14.5
1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 5.3 13.8
1996 Porsche 911 Targa 5.0 13.5
1996 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.7 12.1
1997 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.7 12.3
1997 Porsche 911 Turbo S 3.6 11.9
1999 Porsche 911 Carrera 4.9 13.4
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.9 12.3
1999 Porsche 911 GT1 3.4 10.9
2001 Porsche 911 GT2 3.6 11.9
2002 Porsche 911 GT2 3.6 11.9
2005 Porsche 911 GT2 3.6 11.7 (MT Aug 2004)
2004 Porsche 911 GT3 4.3 n/a
2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 3.8 12.2 (MT Oct '07 Vol. 59, NO. 10)

1964 Ford Mustang (289ci V8 w/4spd) 7.5 15.7
1966 Ford Mustang (289ci V8 Auto) 10.9 17.9
1967 Ford Mustang (390ci V8 w/4spd) 7.4 15.6
1971 Ford Mustang (351ci V8 w/4spd) 5.8 13.8
1973 Ford Mustang 351ci 8.9 16.3
1974 Ford Mustang II 4sp 14.2 18.8
1974 Ford Mustang II Auto 15.6 19.4
1975 Ford Mustang II (302ci V8 w/3spd) 9.6 17.5
1977 Ford Mustang II 302ci 11.3 17.7
1970 Ford Mustang Boss 302 6.5 14.9 (C&D Feb '70)
1971 Ford Mustang Boss 351 5.8 13.8
2001 Ford Mustang Bullitt GT 5.6 14.1 (MT 01)
1980 Ford Mustang (255ci) 11.8 18.5
1980 Ford Mustang Cobra (225ci) 11.3 18.4
1981 Ford Mustang M81 McLaren (2.3L Turbo) 9.7 17.3
1982 Ford Mustang GT 8.0 N/A
1984 Ford Mustang SVO 7.9 15.8
1985 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 14.9 (C&D, Jan. 85)
1987 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 14.4 (Automobile, April 87)
1988 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 15.0 (MT Jan '88)
1989 Ford Mustang GT 5.0l Manual 6.2 14.8 (MT Jan '89)
1990 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.4 14.9
1991 Ford Mustang GT 7.3 15.6
1992 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.2 14.8
1993 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.9 14.5
1993 Ford Mustang GT (auto) 8.0 16.1
1994 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.4 14.0
1994 Ford Mustang GT 6.1 14.9 (C&D Dec '93)
1995 Ford Mustang 3.8 9.9 17.3
1995 Ford Mustang Cobra R 5.2 13.8
1996 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.4 14.0
1998 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 14.0
1999 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 13.9
1999 Ford Mustang Convertible V6 8.6 16.5
1999 Ford Mustang GT 5.5 14.1
2001 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.8 13.5
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.4 (MM&FF)
2004 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9
2005 Ford Mustang V-6 6.9 15.3 (C&D Feb '05)
2005 Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 5.1 13.5 (MT Jan '05)
2005 Ford Mustang GT Convertible 5.2 13.8 (MT Apr '05)
2001 Ford Mustang Roush Stage 3 4.3 12.9
1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 5.7 13.9
1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 428ci 5.7 14.3 (C&D Nov '68)
2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 (5 Speed) 4.7 13.2 (MT Feb '05)
2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 (Auto) 5.6 13.88 (MT Apr '04)
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT 5.0 13.6 (MT Online)
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Convertible 4.5 12.9 (R&T Jan '06)
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-H 5.3 13.9 (C&D Nov '06)
2010 Ford Mustang - 4.9 13.6 (C&D Online)

+1

I think some companies are getting carried away with it. See the latest M5/M3 with their 18 setting traction control/stability systems and “power” buttons. When did on/off become insufficient? Or maybe, On, Race, Off.

And if my car makes 500 HP I shouldn’t have to go into a menu system to get it because by default I only get 400 HP. All cars already have that switch and it’s controlled by my right foot.

+2 on what Fry said

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thats a fine EARA you posted there newman

I understand where he is coming from. But I like the newer cars just as much as the older cars. But I do hate traction control :tdown:

I agree with you on that, but cars are getting dumber for worse drivers. Everything is done by computer so bad drivers can think they’re good drivers.

I don’t think its worthy of a thread though, I mean, if you like older cars then buy an older car. Lol.