I watched all of the videos. And yes, usually a engine is the best thing in a junkyard car. Thats why I don’t feel this is a big deal that they put ‘150,000’ dyno miles on a engine. This isn’t a great test of the reliability of the engine if you ask me. Jack, why would someone get a junkyard motor if engines fail all the time? You said most cars are scrapped at 200K, and its from everything around the engine being trashed. This is exactly what I said. Putting miles on a engine isn’t impressive in any way, they’re normally the most reliable part of a car.
Yes, the real world tests were cool, but I would expect any new engine to not have a issue at all with these types of tests. Obviously you wouldn’t be pulling logs up hills with a Prius, but you get the idea. Im sure they freeze it and then go WOT, but with engineers behind the controls they probably let it warm up at idle and slower speeds, not just start at WOT from -20 and hold it there. Honda has been doing well in the Baja 1000 with a Ridgeline that has a stock engine, they never had a failure as well. Its really nothing special if you ask me.
video shows it go WOT after being frozen, might a be time lapse, not sure.
I think they are doing this because the current misconception is that you need either a big beefy V8 or diesel work truck. This shows you can get it done with a turbo 6 and keep money in your pocket…assuming maintenance costs are similar to that of a N/A V8…which as far as trucks go don’t need to be touched except for oil changes and plugs/wires usually.
Another thing is the old “keep it simple” mindset, turbo sounds complicated and diesels are way to expensive. So this campaign is changing the idea that a turbo unreliable.
Also the other biggest thing about Turbo’s, is towing. For some reason everyone I’ve talked to thinks they are poor at towing and hauling, not enough grunt, to much revving, this shows the opposite, I’d be curious to see side by side all the F-150s do a tow race.
Trust me, the older guys in the “working” trades who will be buying these off the lots, you know people who use trucks…because they actually need one, just want small block chevy’s and are convinced nothing beat the 5.7L that was in the old chevy cube trucks. If this is a big improvement in fuel economy, the argument about trucks not being able to meet MPG standards will be a moot-point. Fords ahead of the curve on this one.
I’ve been a GM guy for awhile, but all the new ford stuff is pretty nice, we seem to see the same thing over and over with new names to option packages at GM in the truck department, look how long it took to get a 6 speed tranny in the trucks, and that was only added to help mask how far down on power the 5.3L is becoming compared to the competition. New body comes out in a couple years so we’ll see what happens I guess.
They said it went from -20 to 230 in 15 mins, so I doubt it was a WOT clamp right off the start… Everything about this video has been clearly skewed to make it look as good as possible. This isn’t necessarily a negative thing, but you just need to listen closely to what they say. All they are saying is that the engine was started when it was -20ºF, then took 15 mins to reach 230ºF… Around here, cars go from 10 to 200 in 15 minutes daily in the winter.
The F150 itself looks like a great truck, and it does a lot with only a 3.5L engine. They NEED to do things like this, since most people want a high displacement lazy V8 in a truck. They would see its a 3.5L ‘turbo’ engine and think its going to explode if they pulled more than 1,000 lbs.
you have to keep in mind this is not a “test” it is a advertising campaign. I can’t imagine they would go WOT from -20. I don’t think engine oil is advanced enough to pull that off being that cold in a engine at full load.
I’m just curious whats going to happen when this motor gets in the hands of some people who tune.
I have a feeling were going to be seeing alot of twin turbo fords running 11’s.
the SHO’s run mid 13’s stock and with a tune only they run mid 12’s. (remember 4300lb car) The “stage 4” tune is just being launched now. The SHO ecoboost does not have variable exhaust timing like in the F150 and IF the rumors are true the fuel system in the F150 can flow more so the limits should be higher before upgrades are necessary. So far the SHO is taking to aftermarket tunes with no failures reported so far related to the tunes. I think they are putting high 300# to the wheels which isn’t bad for just a tune. I can’t imagine it will take long before there are tunes for the F150.
I entirely understand they clearly did this solely to make the video, and make the engine look better than it is. What I was getting at, is this isn’t a very through ‘test’ in any way. Id love to see them try a cold start into WOT. I have witnessed a few people in parking lots essentially go WOT from a cold start, no idle time, sub freezing temps… It DOES happen, people are fucking retarded. Keep doing that until it fails, compare it with competitors engines you test under the same conditions.
that would be a interesting test. I wonder if it is in the programing to not allow boost until XXX temp. I doubt it because I have never herd mention of it on the forums. I do it in my work van all the time. I usually start it and brake torque it at 2Krpm until it has heat while I am waiting for my computer to start up so i can put my route in my gps. I do understand where you are coming form here. My van get neglected and abused soooooo bad. it really is a show case for a simple pushrod engine. It didn’t get its first oil change till 20K and its second one over 35K i think. then 5-10K after that. The first 50K happened in 12 months though.
I have to imagine they have done that testing. I have a recording of a meeting talking to a couple engineers that ford sent to a SHO convention. The Q&A was pretty cool. Talking to them one on one was really neat throughout the convention. Seeing their reactions to what some of us had done to our cars was also entertaining. When I told the two of them what I had done to my 94 SHO they both hit the ground was started looking around. It was nice to know that enthusiast were the ones developing and testing new engines. At the time they were talking to us they had been finished with the SHO’s ecoboost for some time and were working on a project that “i would love to tell you about but can’t”
My father should test cars, he is one to rev an engine to get it warm…I corrected that policy but his 98 Deville is a testament to GM powertrains (transmission included in that).
EDIT: actually most new vehicles I’ve been in don’t even let you rev to redline in park, and drop the RPMs so you can’t neutral drop.
If you did watch it before commenting, it didn’t appear that way. You actually mentioned something they “didn’t” do, when in fact that was a big piece of the video. My bad. I hope you watched it after the fact at least.
150k isn’t a lot, I agree, my point is that your typical American thinks a car is junk @ 150k, and Ford is trying to sell the fact that the motor is as good as new, when people would assume they are ready for scrap.
As far as the Ridgeline goes… I don’t disagree that Honda makes a good motor, or even a car/truck/van, but they don’t have a pickup that does pickup stuff. This is groundbreaking in the pickup world, because only sissys bought V6 trucks and now big boys can buy them and not feel bad about it.
And don’t kid yourselves guys, it won’t be taking the place of a big diesel anytime soon. The 6.7L Scorpion makes almost 2x the torque (725), and more HP (about 400)… and will get similar MPG (20+). And you’ll be able to get it in a bigger truck. I don’t see the EcoBoost making it into a Super Duty any time soon. Oh, and 20% biodiesel… lol.
They (Ford) have a great marketing campaign going, I tried to buy a new truck from them but they were so confident in their marketing that they refused to bargain with me. That, and the taxpayers don’t have any money invested into them. hehe.
