Forza always felt way to much like an arcade game to me Itagaki, that’s just where I’m coming from. I’m sure I’ll play Forza 2 at some point and give it a chance, but the first felt way to “project gotham” to me. Also, I couldnt care less about damage, most of the time my driving is good enough in game that I’m not hitting shit. Hell I even enjoy trying to pass the computer only with clean lines and punish myself if I punt them. Until you get a few drinks in me, then I act like I’m a honors student at the Dmoffitt school of Gran Turismo driving.