Yes, they suck hence the cheaper price. The internal parts on the newer “slim” ps3’s blow cock, sony thought throwing a larger hard drive in would compensate for the internal parts and lack of style that the new ones have. This is why the older piano finish ps3’s were $600 instead of $300… Same thing happened with the ps2’s, at first they had the large ps2’s WITH a hard drive, then they got cheap on us, came out with the ps2 “slim” which does NOT have a hard drive… Go for an older piano finish ps3, preferably one with 4 usb ports on the front meaning that its backwards compatible (plays both ps2 and ps3 games)