just sayin’.
thru the ages land has been forcibly taken…and not just in the name of “unexplored territory”.
and while we’re on the subject…ask the Native Americans if they thought their land was unexplored…or “wild territory needing to be settled”. So once you have a city, civilization or a flag…it’s no longer right to conquer.
seems to be a double standard, wouldn’t you say?
No not really, I believe what we did to the N. Americans was awful, and will always be regarded as such. And for all intents and purposes the conflict between America and N. Americans is over.
There is still a conflict going on in Gaza, and yes in todays post-WWII world it is looked down upon to be a conquerer.
So you are saying that Israel is conquering the Muslims? Thats what I have been saying all along thanks for agreeing with me.
I’m saying people have been conquered and have land taken in the name of (insert deity or emperor here) for a very long time.
Only recently, since we have shiny globes with lines drawn and color…suddenly it’s taboo.
We’re all savages. Always have been, always will be.
And FWIW, i don’t think anyone is going to be conquering the muslims anytime soon.
Yes its taboo! :picard:
Either you’re not intelligent enough to understand the analogy, or you know I’m right and don’t want to admit it. You haven’t heard of the ‘800 pound gorilla’ analogy either, I take it.
Regardless, you can go fuck yourself because you’re not able to hold any type of conversation in OT.
While I understood your analogy, I think it just sucked and didn’t fit. Now if you place the bear in the middle of an occupied city, then you would have a closer analogy of what Israel is to the Middle East.
Lol, very well put, I agree to that 
i challenged u to a debate on this topic u fuckin douche and u still havent presented any evidence and u really havent admitted to any solid format nor have u taken any sides to the argument. There have been about 4 or 5 people in this thread who have schooled you so far and you have nothing in retort. you suck
hmm a lot of anti-semites on this site I see.
Fuck that, I’m agaisnt Israeli policies in the middle east, I could care less about their religion.
It’s real easy to demonize Israel from inside the safety of the American borders. This isn’t Rwanda, Sudan, or Bosnia…the Israelis have been fairly humane towards the Palestinian civilians in times of war compared to conflicts of the past. Don’t forget the “heroic” actions of our country just 65 years ago when we intentionally fire bombed cities in Germany and Japan killing hundreds of thousands of civilians. But there was no call for genocide…no one tried for war crimes. I think a lot of you might be singing a different tune if a nation was firing rockets at your family.
Good points :tup:
Two completely different situations that shouldn’t even be compared. And again if your logic is that actions taken in WWII were wrong, how does that justify actions taken today?
Two Wrongs Don’t Make a Right.
I didn’t mention anything about the political landscape or the justification of violence in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. Thats another debate. Just the moral perception of civilian casualties. So in that context how are the situations different? Were the civilians in Germany and Japan more deserving of being killed than the civilians in Gaza as a result of a conflict over territory? My logic is that 65 years ago it wasn’t perceived as being wrong. This country was never accused of genocide or taken to trial on war crimes. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of a nation of people who are not experiencing the fear of being killed by a neighboring nation that have justified the same actions in the past that they are now denouncing.
If another nation was responsible for killing my family members I would not be very concerned about civilians being killed in that nation. And either were the people of this country in 1945.
Thats what makes the argument bad, you let emotions cloud your judgment. Of course a family who has a member killed is not going to care about the other side, but just because they are the victim does not mean their point of view on the matter is the correct one. We don’t allow the victims of crimes to prosecute criminals. Its the difference between justice and revenge, and in this case peace and war.
I can make the same argument against Israel for their actions on the Palestinians. No one has their hands clean in this mess. But I do place most of the blame on Israel for starting the conflict and continuing actions that provoke the Palestinians.
I can barely understand your horrible grammar, and no-one in this thread has schooled me. I don’t think we would be able to have a debate on this topic, because a debate requires two individuals who are INFORMED on the subject and have good literary/speaking skills…you don’t fit the bill.
I have taken sides. Israel == cool, for now. I don’t know how that could have been misinterpreted from my posts :roflpicard:
I thought Violator and I did a pretty good job.